Disciple of INDYCAR Weblog

December 19, 2013

The IndyCar Idiot Repository

Filed under: Pointless Arguing About Things That Happened More Than 10 Years Ago — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 2:40 pm

This will be the blog thread in which the comment section will contain any/all present and future contributions that:

A)    Crappers Have nothing to do with topics for which they were intended

B)     Are barely literate

C)     Emanate from hate site sub-species mouth breathers

It has become somewhat tedious mining the spam folder to pull something potentially worthwhile from that particular pile of garbage so be sure to bookmark this blog contribution for future use in the event you are inclined toward the behavior of a second grader. I am not one to inhibit free speech even if it is characterized by outright and willful retardation.

You’re welcome.

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204 Comments »

  1. Very well said. Its a sad state indeed that the Human/George clan has left the sport….the worst of both series that only a mother, probably drunk, could love, or fund. Ouch x 10000000000

    Comment by Spicoli — December 19, 2013 @ 2:45 pm | Reply

  2. How much does it cost to run for the Marion County Superior Court Judge position?

    Comment by Some other crapper at 76.177.44.56 — December 19, 2013 @ 2:47 pm | Reply

  3. You really are going down with the IRL ship. LMAO.
    Its like Baghdad Bob. Come to think od it, you two do resemble.

    Comment by Spicoli — December 19, 2013 @ 2:49 pm | Reply

  4. I can tell you right now I have never encountered the issues at any NASCAR forum like I have at places like Trackforum, Smacked, or Crapwagon. They all seem to get it when things are being done correctly by the sanctioning body and don’t wave pom poms. Nor do I have to deal with the insult throwing and kindergarten level discussion one does to be entertained at the last two sites. After dealing with people like BigDaddy, RacingSteward(RacingSewer as I call him), and a whole host of other I left TrackForum. Those three sites and the individuals on them are pretty good indicators as to why IndyCar isn’t doing well.

    Comment by Some other crapper at 76.177.44.56 — December 19, 2013 @ 2:51 pm | Reply

  5. I think the new management is going in the right direction. I can only hope to be as great as they are. Vote for my wife.

    Comment by Some other crapper at 76.177.44.56 — December 19, 2013 @ 2:53 pm | Reply

  6. Garbage is a 50 something POS Marion County POS who trolls articles. F*#$ off JC.

    Comment by Some other crapper at 76.177.44.56 — December 19, 2013 @ 2:54 pm | Reply

  7. F&#% Spicoli.

    Comment by Some other crapper at 76.177.44.56 — December 19, 2013 @ 2:56 pm | Reply

  8. The EARL blew goats this weekend. Gay Helio blue Gay Gomer under the stands before the race and loaded himself with so much simen that he didn’t even win the farce of a race. Now the only thing we need to figger out is how to fit Tony Kanose’s nose on the Bork Warner Trophie. The .1RL is only a few years from dying and you all know it you fat Gomer Pork Tenderloin eating mother f*$%ing bastards. F*^#ing Toeknee George and his manly looking mother are just sucking down bottle of Vodka and snorting cocaine all on you dime because you are too f*#%ing stupid not to buy tickets/

    Comment by Some other crapper at 76.177.44.56 — December 19, 2013 @ 2:58 pm | Reply

  9. Deleting comments again, huh Defender? Cant take criticism of your beloved League? Yet you FREAK OUT when Condre does it. Too funny.

    Comment by Spicoli — December 19, 2013 @ 4:33 pm | Reply

  10. You are still a retarded f&$%wad who dishes it out but cant take ANY criticism.
    Are you the long lost Duck Dynasty brother?

    Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — December 19, 2013 @ 6:48 pm | Reply

  11. JC please seek professional help. Seriously.

    Comment by ioweyouabeerasshole — December 19, 2013 @ 9:06 pm | Reply

  12. Go f*#% yourself. Twiced. F*#$ing gomers.

    Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — December 19, 2013 @ 9:44 pm | Reply

  13. funny how this thread gets more response than you usual delusional garbage. LOL. Must tell you something about your “Readership”.

    Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — December 20, 2013 @ 1:55 pm | Reply

  14. Editor’s Note – Couple of more typically idiotic comments from one of the obsessed, lurking crappers:
    1. the graph you posted sure spells success,earl style!
    2. are you saying the earl is still around?…who’d a thunk?

    Comment by J.B. — December 22, 2013 @ 7:08 pm | Reply

  15. You’re a liar. WordPress doesn’t know the difference between mail and spam. The messages are queued and are moved to “Spam” folders only after you censor them. Censored by you you candy-assed liar.

    Comment by Goron Liddy — December 23, 2013 @ 7:46 pm | Reply

  16. I think the point here is that Disciple draws the illiterate children of the cart like flies on a fresh dropped dog deuce.

    Comment by ioweyouabeerasshole — December 23, 2013 @ 11:50 pm | Reply

  17. Your side won, Twice! This is what your hiro Tonee George brought not the evil CART you hated so much!

    Comment by One Of The Hate Site Idiots — January 20, 2014 @ 2:02 pm | Reply

  18. shit needed fixin in the early 90″s. Don’t you remember?

    Comment by Another One Of The Hate Site Idiots — January 20, 2014 @ 2:02 pm | Reply

  19. “should consider ourselves expendable because we are next in the check-out line of life.”

    You are dying?!? Is it Terminal Butthurt? We always said that this would do you in.

    That almost makes me sad-ish. Getting close to unhappy-like.

    Ah, who am I kidding.

    Comment by Another One Of The Hate Site Idiots — January 20, 2014 @ 11:54 pm | Reply

  20. Funny to read your reply after just reading your latest nightmare post. :)

    Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — January 22, 2014 @ 8:56 pm | Reply

  21. [I]they are not financial wizards or the product sucks?[/i]

    LOL both, obviously. when CART went out of business (twice), it didn’t necessarily end AOWR, kill any tracks, any of that. IMS and the 500? its only dying once.

    Comment by another lurking crapper — January 22, 2014 @ 11:16 pm | Reply

  22. didn’t read your dibble……is the earl still alive?

    Comment by Some Canadian crapper named JB — January 26, 2014 @ 1:14 pm | Reply

  23. ….and here I was thinking the irl was a failure because people had common sense. Little did I know it was because they were put off by Gaylio’s masculinity.

    Comment by Some Canadian crapper named JB — February 5, 2014 @ 10:18 am | Reply

  24. Go fuck yourself.

    Comment by JC Welch — February 9, 2014 @ 1:13 pm | Reply

  25. How is your’s feeling? Still bleeding I see. The grate Irl douchebag who is completely clueless about racing outside of the gates of ims.

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — February 9, 2014 @ 11:20 pm | Reply

  26. As the general population of the country continues growing vaginas at a startling pace, ‘manly’ testosterone fueled sports …

    what the fuck? you only get one comment anymore? IRL STRONG!
    lol.

    Comment by JC Welch — February 12, 2014 @ 1:19 pm | Reply

  27. Hey defender, g fuckyourself you fatassed gaptoothed moAn.

    Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — February 17, 2014 @ 4:15 am | Reply

  28. This blog sucks.

    Comment by Some guy named Dan — February 17, 2014 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

  29. Didn’t you once call yourself Alex Hoppes you piece of crap? Since you now appear to want to wax lyrical about peace and love and Indycar, let me say this. You and your ilk are reaping what you have sown. History has proven the Hulman clan to be incompetent managers of the Indy 500. As long as their offspring are in charge, we will continue to see the importance and attendance of the once great Indy 500 reduced until it is no more or it becomes a walmart supercenter. At least then you won’t have to complain about the parking lot of the museum, but remember this one thing, YOU contributed to this by backing the Tony George temper tantrum. You and your ilk are, in part, responsible for this.

    I am sure you won’t post this but it has to be said.

    Comment by Racingdentist — February 21, 2014 @ 12:02 pm | Reply

  30. You continue to offer substance free and truth free responses that destroy whatever credibility you seek. It’s little wonder that your reputation is so poor, even as you’ve greatly embellished your ties to the sport and those run (or ran) it. In other words, you’re the ultimate phony.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 22, 2014 @ 1:19 am | Reply

    • Bob, why bother? He’s a lying sack of sh#! And always has been.

      From his revisionist history with Aton George and his bs contention about why he got tossed off multiple forums there no credibility at all. He’s a waste of skin

      Comment by skeptical1 — February 22, 2014 @ 4:17 pm | Reply

      • Nothing revisionist about it, which is why you have such trouble with it.

        Comment by Bob Chinn — February 23, 2014 @ 5:40 pm

  31. Are you ever, ever going to offer anything so sun stance or are you simply going to insult everyone who tells the truth about the series and the 500?
    Editor’s Note: Are you ever going to A) Grab a mirror and ask yourself the exact same question? B) Confine commentary to the actual topic and shelve the incessant whining?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 22, 2014 @ 7:06 pm | Reply

    • Are you simply unable to offer to anything of substance, or are you afraid to be exposed again as a hypocrite on this stuff? Given your incessant dishonesty concerning ratings and attendance, your embarrassment is understandable.

      Comment by Bob Chinn — February 23, 2014 @ 5:39 pm | Reply

      • Hey, Bob. Re read my reply to your Feb 22 comment-“You continue to offer substance and truth free…” I’m on YOUR side. Disciple’s a lying self aggrandizer, and he edits and deletes comments that he can’t effectively rebut, so all he does is insult the poster and ignore the SUBSTANCE of the comments. At least TWICE.

        Comment by skeptical1 — February 24, 2014 @ 12:20 pm

  32. Do you ever offer a substantive response or do you delete all the posts that disagree with your views? Perhaps the crying children are pictures of you in your youth?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 23, 2014 @ 1:25 pm | Reply

  33. So do you ever offer a substantive response to anything?
    Editor’s Note: Yes. But only when the commentary relates directly to the blog topic.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 23, 2014 @ 6:54 pm | Reply

  34. Are you simply unable to offer to anything of substance, or are you afraid to be exposed again as a hypocrite on this stuff? Given your incessant dishonesty concerning ratings and attendance, your embarrassment is understandable.
    Editor’s Note: You really should learn how to comprehend the written word. Facts: The IndyCar Series draws over a million in person annually, hundreds of thousands in May, is one of the highest rated franchises on NBCSN, and still draws good ratings on ESPN on ABC. Both are enough to prevent the series from going out of business. Twice.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 23, 2014 @ 6:58 pm | Reply

  35. Oh, and you’re a liar and a coward who offers nothing of substance. It’s why the insiders of the series continually laugh at your embellishments.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 24, 2014 @ 11:46 am | Reply

  36. Skeptical: Defender has a long history of both dodging questions that skewer his agenda as well as twisting the truth to suit his needs. He’s been run off at TF on several occasions, and actual series insiders who know him are, uh, dismissive of not only his dubious connection to the sport but also his alleged ties to people of influence. When informed of this blog, several of them shook their heads and chuckled at the desperation. He’s also been known to greatly embellish his professional background, especially as it relates to sports media. In short, he’s not what he claims. Not even close.
    Editor’s Note: Ever think you will be secure or mature enough to comment on actual topics (the purpose of the comment section), or are you just here to make yourself look foolish, desperate and juvenile?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 25, 2014 @ 9:58 pm | Reply

    • Bob: Here’s what really gets me at times with Disciple: He’s quick to “call out” those of us (like yourself) that disagee with his stated positions. And no matter how rational the posts are, he’s quick to try to equate them with the “Childish rantings of a fourth grader”

      Yet look at his own replies. He constantly resorts to insults and name calling, and frankly, ones that are repetitive and derivitive, along multiple threads. Geez, at least open a Thesaurus. And when given what appeared to me a great opportunity to use his “intelligence” and reported deep understanding and respect of the sport to elevate the discussion, he sank to a level of childish and frankly somewhat vulgar rebuke of the “non oval” drivers:

      November 2013, a comment on Dario’s retirement blog post:

      The original comment:

      Another IRL short track ace that can’t compete with the cart faction in the feeble iZod-less Indycar Series. Ed should organize a splinter oval series group to take back the speedway before these cart heathens win everything. Oooops, my bad. They already have won everything. Never mind.

      Disciples reply:

      “Editor’s Note: Despite your classless, borderline illiterate, completely pointless, fourth grade level, failed attempt at a point, you have essentially reinforced one of the primary blog points that sailed completely over your insolent head. But what else is new. Most of the road racers to which you kneel remain pussy-scared where ovals are concerned. That’s why we need more Darios.”

      Comment by Goron Liddy — November 17, 2013 @

      PUSSY-SCARED? As I had said in a reply to that whole exchange, NO ONE should question the courage of ANYONE that gets into a racecar, and drives it hard at any level of motorsports. Disciple’s every bit as bad with his lack of intelligence and stooping to the fourth grade ( or lower) level as anyone that has ever posted here. But he wants to portray himself as the sterling character exampe of reasoned thought and intelligence. Not. Buying. It.

      As Jack Nicholson once said: “Go sell crazy somewhere else. We’re full up here”
      Editor’s Note: You folks sure get worked up over the smallest things. It seems depraved, odd and obsessive to me.

      Comment by Skeptical1 — February 27, 2014 @ 3:45 pm | Reply

  37. I’ve requested you do those very things time after time after time. Unfortunately, you’ve consistently chosen to dodge, deny and flat out lie about these matters whenever I’ve presented you with facts. Complaining about someone not sticking to the topics at hand and, further, calling anyone “foolish, desperate and juvenile” is the epitome of hypocrisy on your part. Perhaps you should change your conduct if you don’t wish to be recognized on such an unflattering way.
    Editor’s Note: Perhaps you should cultivate even a minimal amount of maturity and focus your future commentary on actual blog topics then see where that leads, Sherlock.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 26, 2014 @ 12:02 am | Reply

  38. I’ve done those very things and you’ve consistently responded with lies in defense of your tired, untruthful and out of touch positions. When you choose to engage honestly, you’ll gain some degree of credibility. Until then, I won’t hesitate to point out your prevarications. They are in abundance each and every time you post. Again, if you don’t like to be recognized for what you are, perhaps you should change your conduct. It’s really that simple.
    Editor’s Note: Mother always told me not to engage the crazy people. Time I took her advice.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 26, 2014 @ 1:08 am | Reply

  39. What did she say about your continual lying? I would imagine she had her hands full.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — February 26, 2014 @ 3:16 am | Reply

  40. Its the only comment you got. Better enjoy it. LOL

    Comment by spicoli — February 27, 2014 @ 12:00 pm | Reply

  41. Humor? Holy shit! :)

    Comment by spicoli — February 27, 2014 @ 12:01 pm | Reply

  42. Loop de loops, travis pastrami, hot wheels, yes KISS gene simmons was a gimmick too,girls in cars, concerts after concerts, continual management shifts, a grand prix in may nobody asked for, retread drivers, ride buyers, owners fighting dirty over sponsors, lawsuits galore, empty seats, begging for millions of dollars in tax breaks, horrible TV contract, or we wont make it, and what may be the biggest issue. The clown cars they drive. Ugly, low tech, spec series, crated engines, ONE tire, few ovals left, following the CART CHampCar street festival model that never works, what have i said thats wrong?

    Fix the car, stabilize management, have a true value for sponsors, tighten up the schedule….

    Nothing will make sense with the first family of fuckups of racing in charge. Thanks Tony – you fixed everrything,

    Comment by spicoli — March 7, 2014 @ 2:11 pm | Reply

    • Travis Pastrami? LOL! I’m still laughing at that, 10 days later!

      Comment by skeptical1 — March 17, 2014 @ 11:20 pm | Reply

  43. You pussy.

    Comment by spicoli — March 7, 2014 @ 10:06 pm | Reply

  44. Defender loves the attention. He loves to argue. Its all bullshit anyway, so might as well take the Spicoli POV and not expect anything from him other than his nonsensical name calling. He KNOWS the IRL sucks, just like all of us. He just wants to play the contrarian and be the center of attention. This Verizon “sponsorship” is just more spin from the IRL and Hulman Racing. At the end of the year it won’t have made a mouseturds bit of difference. Watch today’s F1 race. THAT was top line open wheel racing. And IRL isnt even in the same solar system.

    Comment by spicoli — March 17, 2014 @ 10:38 am | Reply

  45. Such a dick. Moves posts he disagrees with. Moh well, you ARE the boss ofthis dump. Go fuck yourself Tubby!

    Comment by spicoli — March 18, 2014 @ 11:48 am | Reply

  46. My comments were confined to the actual topic in each and every post that I made. Methinks that’s the problem.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 9:34 am | Reply

  47. My suspicions proved accurate. Hardly a surprise.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 12:11 pm | Reply

  48. Is it fair to conclude that you’re not interested in commentary from others that does not support your views (past or present) of indy car? If so, simply say the word.
    Editor’s Note: I am interested only in commentary that is relevant to the topic whether I agree with it or not. I am not interested in off topic whining that only clutters pages.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 1:07 pm | Reply

  49. I consistently stayed on topic. It was you who conveniently deviated from the subject matter, all while engaging in childish name calling. If you’re unable to discuss things factually, perhaps you should refrain from the subject at hand.
    Editor’s Note: When you post anything that has to do with the topic, it gets posted in the relevant thread. When you simply gripe about perceived treatment in a comment section it is just like spam and gets relocated to the appropriate folder. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 1:15 pm | Reply

  50. So is there ever anything that you’ll permit to be posted here that takes issue with indy car in any way, even if it’s on topic (as each of my posts have been)
    Editor’s Note: AGAIN, I am interested only in commentary that is relevant to the topic whether I agree with it or not. I am not interested in off topic whining that only clutters pages. Is there any part of this protocol with which you are having comprehension difficulty or are you just going to gripe?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 1:54 pm | Reply

  51. I’ve always stayed on topic and have never whined or engaged in childish, immature name calling, so there was no other explanation for your censoring of my remarks (other than they called attention to your repeated lack of truthfulness). Thanks for confirming.
    Editor’s Note: None of your ‘contributions’ have been censored. In some cases they have been relocated to the appropriate area when the content veers away from the topic; e.g., whining about treatment of which you mistakenly believe you are victimized. If you would like your remarks to remain in the area in which you are commenting confine your comments to the topic and see how that works out. Very simple.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 5:39 pm | Reply

  52. My comments never once strayed from the topic, which is why I questioned the reason for moving them (we both know why you elected to do that). As for feeling “victimized”, I’ve never once claimed that but have rather expressed amazement that you would choose to conduct yourself in such an immature and childish manner by resorting to petty name calling. It’s always been confirmation to anyone who reads your opinions that you engage in such behavior because you’re unable to provide sufficient substance to support your positions.
    Editor’s Note: Do you realize that every time you drop one of these turd-like complaints you just reinforce the point I am trying unsuccessfully to make, or are you merely trolling?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 19, 2014 @ 6:40 pm | Reply

  53. I realize that you’re incapable of responding in a mature, intelligent way to anyone who takes a view contrary to your own, and that such conduct completely destroys whatever credibility you believe you have.
    Editor’s Note: Yep. Trolling.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 20, 2014 @ 12:50 am | Reply

  54. Nope. Just telling the truth. That’s why you’re having so much trouble with it.
    Editor’s Note: TROLL (according to Wikipedia’s definition) – In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 21, 2014 @ 1:06 am | Reply

  55. I was actually going to make that point to you. It’s a tip you should give yourself first.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 21, 2014 @ 12:32 pm | Reply

  56. According to Merriam-Webster, synonyms for LIAR include: exaggerator, mythomaniac; calumniator, defamer, libeler, libelist, slanderer; perjurer; distorter, falsifier; equivocator, palterer; gossip, gossiper, talebearer; charlatan, cheat, cheater, counterfeiter, cozener, deceiver, defrauder, dissembler, dissimulator, double-dealer, fraud, hustler, knave, mountebank, operator, pretender.

    Ever wonder why you’re referred to so often with one or more of these words?
    Editor’s Note: No. But I do recommend professional help for you. You appear to have untreated mental illness. Seek help.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 22, 2014 @ 4:17 pm | Reply

  57. More childishness from you. Always the same since you lack substance. Grow up.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 22, 2014 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

  58. More childish, immature babble from you. Do you ever conduct yourself like an adult?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — March 22, 2014 @ 8:20 pm | Reply

  59. Because You should go fuck yourself

    Comment by The Mischievous Welch Kid — April 1, 2014 @ 10:20 am | Reply

  60. I posted a fact and you’ve dodged and deflected, all while offering nothing in the way of support for whatever your position is. You’re welcome to actually contribute something of substance (rather than childish insults that are a regular part of you uncivilized approach), but you’ve simply chosen to not do so. One is left to do conclude (unless and until you demonstrate otherwise) that you simply cannot.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — April 3, 2014 @ 7:03 pm | Reply

  61. It wasn’t trolling. I offered facts, you offered no substance and childish insults.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — April 3, 2014 @ 9:36 pm | Reply

  62. More deflection from you because you’re unable to refute facts with anything substantive, and then you quickly move anyone who disagrees with you to the penalty box. On top of that, you claim to know so much about the media and then are revealed as a fraud.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — April 4, 2014 @ 9:38 am | Reply

  63. Pretty clear that you misinterpreted my posts, which did not represent in any what what you suggested. Sorry that you misunderstood.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — April 15, 2014 @ 7:15 pm | Reply

  64. You forgot one additional attribute: they would have to be stupid enough to pay $1000 for the privelage of watching spec rattletraps called the IRl and calling it big time racing. Only Gomers fall into that category and none of them have that kind of money. Glamping. Good luck when a storm rolls thru.

    Comment by spicoli — April 27, 2014 @ 1:12 pm | Reply

    • Wow, it must be nice to be the freeloading spouse of a political figure. Free booze, perks, and hookups at the speedway. I guess since you don’t pay you’re not a gomer, huh? You must be able to lick your forehead, cause she obviously didn’t marry you for your looks or vices.

      Comment by Bud Weiser — April 28, 2014 @ 10:30 am | Reply

  65. How does a guy with his face on the Bork warmer havers understanding than a fat slob with a rhino for a wife? What have you ever driven besides a Honda accord? Why don’t you let the adults talk while you sit at the kiddy table. Remember that running around Indy in a Bus does not qualify you to comment vs a former winner or the event. Unless it is vs a Lazier.

    Comment by One of the crapper kids — May 13, 2014 @ 9:23 am | Reply

  66. I meant to say less understanding than a guy who is married to a circus bear/rhino

    Comment by One of the crapper kids — May 13, 2014 @ 9:24 am | Reply

  67. Nice start. Lol. And no i didnt tune ina and no i didnt go. Clowncars cant even get out of each others way. And you wonder why no one watches/ buys tickets/ cares….

    Tony is, i am sure, so proud of what he has done. Fail x 100000000000. But you go ahead and enjoy, mkay? Lol again.

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 13, 2014 @ 9:26 am | Reply

  68. Whoa. Deleting comments again. It pretty much juat you and me these days, be careful or its gonna be you talking to yourself. Again. :)

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 13, 2014 @ 2:29 pm | Reply

  69. What happened to the IRL. Didn’t it start out as all ovals. Didn’t it also fail when it added the first or second road course to the schedule.

    Didn’t overall attendance decline year over year with the IRL? Has not Indy attendance declined since 1995 also year over year? It did and road courses are not to blame no matter how much you want to believe.

    The product in 1996 was crap and that continues through to today. In 1994 Indy was sold out the day after the race. When you see aluminum at Indy this year, you should thank Tony for fixing it.

    Comment by Another of the mischievous crapper youth — May 14, 2014 @ 10:49 am | Reply

  70. No dobt you have a bad case of denial.

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 14, 2014 @ 1:34 pm | Reply

  71. Actual race fan? Oh, I see, you get the right to complain because YOU pay for tickets to this garbage so no one else can is that right? You need to check into a codependency clinic. It’s evolution fella, it’s what you wanted all along. Eat your new generation tenderloin and be quiet. It’s exactly how it was predicted to go down with the place in shambles and the Hulman family screwing it all up. Wheres your support now, huh?

    Comment by Another of the mischievous crapper youth — May 14, 2014 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  72. Delete this one too, so i can see that you have the same moderation skills as tour idol, Turd13

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 15, 2014 @ 11:58 pm | Reply

  73. In your expert opinion does Sam Schmidt miss walking or jerking off more?

    Comment by Another of the mischievous crapper youth — May 18, 2014 @ 8:19 pm | Reply

  74. 2500 for not pole or is it pole day? Pacers in playoffs today, it will be worse. More employees than placfans. Lol.

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 18, 2014 @ 8:21 pm | Reply

  75. Pffffffffft… How about a nice eat shit .1RL fan!

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 20, 2014 @ 3:14 pm | Reply

  76. No updates? Lol, x 100000000

    Comment by The Welch Boy — May 22, 2014 @ 11:29 am | Reply

  77. Your comment…”Anything anyone spouts on the internet is taken, at least by me, with a grain of salt.” Hmm, you have a little blog on the internet you use to get your brand of insane spouts out to the masses. Just saying….

    By the way, I was at TMS this past weekend, and I can tell you that there was basically 30,000, tops, and that is being generous. No line-ups pretty anywhere, for anything. Refuting that just shows how much more ignorant and delusional you have become.
    Editor’s Note: Wow. Must have been a long voyage all the way from Canada. LOL. Look. Grow up. Think like an adult. This kind of nonsense you are trying to pull is childish and retarded.

    Comment by Some Canadian Trying To Pawn Itself Off As Eddie Gossage — June 9, 2014 @ 7:21 pm | Reply

  78. I would order onion rings instead of fries because you get zesty sauce with them.

    Comment by The Mischievous Welch Kid — June 15, 2014 @ 12:17 pm | Reply

  79. I would also install bathhouses and gay dance clubs in the infield in order to be compliant with Federal anti discrimination guidelines.

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — June 17, 2014 @ 10:37 pm | Reply

  80. I wasn’t kidding. I think the gay community would be receptive to the changes I discussed. We need to break ourselves away from the redneck and rebel flag waving NASCAR fans

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — June 20, 2014 @ 10:42 am | Reply

  81. Texas capacity is not 191,000, as you continue to laughingly suggest. It is “officially” just over 180,000, which includes an estimate of 50,000 for the infield. Actually seating is roughly 125,000, of which just over 100,000 are on the front stretch. For the Indycar race, no more than 25% of the front straight seats were available! leaving a maximum of roughly 28,000 if every seat was filled. Clearly, about half were, netting a mid teens attendance in that seating area. Adding another 5,000 in the balance of the entire facility generously brings the total to roughly 20,000. Sorry, but your figures simply do not stand up to any intelligent scrutiny. Furthermore, you’ve significantly inflated attendance at each of the other tracks, as anyone who has either watched or attended can readily attest. Again, that’s simply a fact, and no amount of spin from you changes that. Ditto for your fact free television ratings estimates, which do not hold up. Sorry, but your repitition of inaccuracies doesn’t suddenly make them truthful. And since you’ve already acknowledged that you cannot provide answers to the questions you’ve posed, there’s really no point in answering them for you. Please try to use facts if you wish to legitimize your arguments and demonstrate credibility. Thanks.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 21, 2014 @ 8:09 pm | Reply

  82. Assumed once you were conclusively proven wrong you would banish the comments to avoid further embarrassment. You’re a complete fraud.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 22, 2014 @ 11:28 am | Reply

  83. Hey, yo, Bobbo:

    You just figured that out?

    Comment by Olderfan — June 24, 2014 @ 2:20 am | Reply

  84. Hey DOUG,

    Do me a favor: after you take your head out of Disciples ass, make an attempt, ANY ATTEMPT, to address the issues I’ve discussed.

    Otherwise, STFU.

    Comment by Olderfan — June 25, 2014 @ 6:11 pm | Reply

  85. Gee another surprise. Deleting comments you don’t like.

    Comment by Olderfan — June 25, 2014 @ 7:07 pm | Reply

  86. You often call people you disagree with “retarded”. Or have you conveniently forgotten that?

    So on top of your delusions, you’re an outright liar as well. Impressive.

    Comment by Olderfan — June 25, 2014 @ 8:15 pm | Reply

  87. Did the lady at the bar call the cops and / or get a restraining order to protect herself from the lecherous old bean bag leering at her through his cataract glasses?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 25, 2014 @ 11:03 pm | Reply

  88. You’re on a roll. Are you on a mission to delete or move everything that exposes your lies and bullshit? If so, I can see that you’re in good form.

    You’re a liar. You regularly call people retarded, anytime that they post something that challenges your cherished belief system regarding Indycar. And now you equivocate; “I didn’t call anyone retarded” as if that absolves you from your past use of that term. And if you have a bone to pick with someone else regarding soccer comparisons then take it up with them. I HAVE NOT MADE THAT COMPARISON, so dust off your comprehension skills and try to keep up.

    I’m sure this one’s getting moved as well but idiots like you need to be responded to from time to time. Although to be honest, this is starting to feel like I’m in a gunfight with an unarmed man, ( and no, YOU don’t have the gun)
    Editor’s Note: Memo to repetitive children posting on the Internet: I do not delete things. I relocate them to appropriate sections. If you want to get published, write something that has to do with the topic. Simple. And also try to make sense.

    Comment by Olderfan — June 25, 2014 @ 11:09 pm | Reply

    • The post addressed issues YOU raised in responses to earlier posts on this thread. So, you’re lying again, asswipe. Surprise, surprise. And not that I’d expect any better from you, but I wrote “delete OR move”, which anyone with a shred of comprehension could understand.

      I understand DOUG may be willing to swallow another load from you, but the rest of us can see right through your crap. Enjoy yourself, jackass, as you lie to yourself, and anyone who’ll listen, about your scary understanding of how (you think) the world works.

      Comment by Olderfan — June 26, 2014 @ 12:29 am | Reply

  89. All of which makes one wonder why you would choose to use that “frivolous and amusing” measure to make your point. No one capable of knowledgeable (or “knowledgable”, as both spellings are shown in various dictionaries, with the latter included in the Apple Spell Check program) thought would utilize such meaningless data. Hopefully, that helps your learning process.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 25, 2014 @ 11:40 pm | Reply

  90. Not sure why you elected to move my comments given that they were topic driven.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 25, 2014 @ 11:42 pm | Reply

    • If your comments in any way, shape, or form show that Disciple is: A) Full of shit B) Lying through his teeth, C) stooping to lowest common denominator name calling when caught in one of his numerous fantasy world prognostications, or D) All of the above, then your post gets moved. Pretty simple, really.

      Did I miss any other reasons, D-boy?

      Comment by Olderfan — June 26, 2014 @ 1:57 am | Reply

  91. Why would you ever, ever think you could advise anyone in regard to being taken seriously? And, trust me, you’re more than “retarded enough”.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 10:15 am | Reply

  92. Every time I tell the truth about you, you banish the comments. Funny how that happens. And no one uses 12+ overnights. If you were a media person, you’d know that.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 10:16 am | Reply

  93. So, was it another restraining order? Or was she simply laughing too hard at you?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 10:18 am | Reply

  94. “Editor’s Note: If you want to get published, write something that has to do with the topic. Simple. And also try to make sense.”

    Can you explain why you consistently fail to heed your own advice?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 10:20 am | Reply

  95. So, if “2013 wasn’t the end”, was Tony incompetent or dishonest? Hint to editor: There is no third option. Additional point: Colons are always followed by two spaces, not one. Please work on your grammar of you want to establish any credibility as an “editor”.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 10:21 am | Reply

    • It does my heart good to know that there are at least some of us that recognize what a total fraud & lying sack of shit Disciple is.

      Bob, I salute you.

      Comment by Olderfan — June 26, 2014 @ 11:00 am | Reply

  96. As I suspected, whenever you’re demonstrably proven wrong you quickly move those posts away from here. It proves conclusively that you’re looking for meek followers, not reasoned debate.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 12:55 pm | Reply

    • (Off topic commentary relocated to comment section of 12/19/13 blog)

      Comment by williebdrunk — June 26, 2014 @ 9:59 pm | Reply

  97. “It helps when you have major networks in your pocket. NBC, for example. They would deny this, but having spent millions on rights for the World Cup I sense there is pressure to get ROI, and that pressure drives other departments, like News, to fawn over it.”

    Lets get this straight: YOU make the example that NBC spent millions on rights for the World Cup (which they most assuredly DID NOT). Your words. In quotes, from YOUR OWN REPLY.

    Then you spout off to Bob Chinn about reading comprhension. Holy illiterate gomer Batman! YOU linked NBC to World Cup rights. You didn’t link ANY other network. God, you are an idiot of the first order. A lying, self important tool, that leers at young women in bars. No wonder you’re fond of the Hulman George clan, Tony in particular. Peas in a pod.

    Its not OUR comprehension that’s a problem. We understand you all to well, you worthless piece of trailer trash.

    Comment by Olderfan — June 26, 2014 @ 11:25 pm | Reply

  98. jeebus, bobchinn. hay you know how to keep a retard in suspense?

    Comment by williebdrunk — June 26, 2014 @ 11:27 pm | Reply

  99. so whos following, bob? lol

    Comment by williebdrunk — June 26, 2014 @ 11:28 pm | Reply

  100. Probably better to just admit you messed up, rather than concocting an elaborate and easily dismissed excuse for your error.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 26, 2014 @ 11:28 pm | Reply

  101. A supposed media expert didn’t even know who holds the rights to the World Cup. As the Trackforum people discovered, you’re a complete and total fraud. NBC? Incredible that you could be so uninformed.
    Editor’s Note: Hopefully at some point an adult family member or friend might perform an intervention with you and get you back into an education track with emphasis on basic literacy skills. In the meantime, a helpful remedial solution is http://www.sylvanlearning.com/. Please take advantage of available resources.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — June 27, 2014 @ 9:43 am | Reply

  102. So I take it you’re not Ok with someone starting a Web site/blog page that castigates a sport’s (or series) management?

    That’s odd, because more and more frequently that’s what this site and it’s “author” does.

    And here you are, posting comments about it.

    Gee, methinks you’re either A:confused, or B:not capable of fully understanding what you are reading.

    Oh, by the way, it’s the “author” of this site that frequently refers to the readers and posters as retarded, not the other way around.

    RIF

    Comment by Olderfan — June 29, 2014 @ 1:09 pm | Reply

  103. I stopped voting for your wife once I found out who you are and the things you post on the internet about Indiana citizens.

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — June 29, 2014 @ 1:11 pm | Reply

  104. hey ass wipe, my comments regarding your blog and related comments directed at other posters regarding this topic were directly on point and address the issues that you yourself brought up.

    I understand that reading comprehension and rational thought are difficult skills for you to master but this goes beyond even your normal levels of stupidity.

    maybe you should just try being honest in the future. If you’re going to move/delete posts you don’t agree at least be honest. Tell us that what you want is to have an army of little like minded lemmings that agree with you. Every one else will comprehend your actions, and can make the decision to partake of your brilliance, or not. at least we understand you for what you are; an inbred gomer that knows nothing of the world outside of the Indy 500, no matter how much you try to tell us how accomplished you are.

    You’re a fraud. A total, unrepentant fraud.
    Editor’s Note: Here are some helpful hints to help with your seemingly futile attempts to interact in an adult world…1) When you begin missives with ‘hey ass wipe’ and then rant on using such quaint words as ‘lemming’ and ‘inbred gomer’ it immediately dismisses whatever credibility you may foolishly believe you have. 2) Commentary in which I am interested is that which deals with the actual topic, not barely literate attacks against the author, complete with name calling and taunting, in comment replies. In addition to being childish and immature it pollutes an otherwise worthwhile space. So in short, grow up and come back when you figure out what it means to act like a human being.

    Comment by Olderfan — June 30, 2014 @ 2:15 pm | Reply

    • Interesting. Taking offense at “Asswipe” but apparently you don’t have any problems with you yourself insulting others, referring to people as “retarded”, in a pejorative manner.

      Not only are you a fraud, but a hypocrite as well. Bravo!
      Editor’s Note: Only the willfully retarded, however. And it’s usually obvious to thinking people.

      Comment by Olderfan — June 30, 2014 @ 10:51 pm | Reply

      • So, with your reasoning, if someone chooses to be openly, unabashedly, willfully gay, it’s perfectly fine in your world to call them a “faggot”

        There’s a nice little window into your thought process ( if you actually HAVE a thought process) ol’ D-boy.

        What other character defects do you admit to: perhaps you kick kittens for fun?

        You’re pathetic.
        Editor’s Note: You are mentally ill. Seek professional help.

        Comment by Olderfan — July 1, 2014 @ 10:30 am

  105. You must be Timmy z the newest fanboi of the .1rl.

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — July 2, 2014 @ 7:34 pm | Reply

  106. The take over is almost.complete. Great job CART! The only thing that gives this Indy Car series any legitimacy is the fact that they are bringing back everything that was CART and dispensing with the IRL baggage. Adding Bob Varsha and Paul Tracy to the tv broadcast is a stroke of genius. Showing CART footage during the Pocono race was awesome. IRL is trash. Book it. IRL Defender, haha, too funny!

    Comment by Goron Liddy — July 9, 2014 @ 5:05 pm | Reply

  107. Sorry, but, as usual, virtually none of your contentions hold up under scrutiny (with the possible exception of your criticism of the Hulman George family-there, except for holding the real culprit in that family accountable, you do assign blame, at least for the condition of your beloved speedway).

    Ownership groups kill most series? I’m sorry, but pretty much ALL of the major sports (NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA, for starters) are run by the OWNERS. They may hire a commisioner, executive director, etc, but in the end the owners control the sport/league. And in the cases of those aforementioned sports, ALL of them are far more financially successful than Indycar, and receive far more media attention.

    As far as attendance goes, your assertions are just plain wrong:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193420/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nfl-since-2006/

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193632/average-regular-season-home-attendance-per-team-in-the-nba-since-2006/

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193415/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nhl-since-2006/

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121004&content_id=39485178&c_id=mlb

    http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5848:a-12-year-look-at-mlb-attendance-shows-new-ballparks-key-clubs-factors-in-growth&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2013/10/03/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-mlbs-2013-attendance/

    Note that the fluctuation in average or total attendance is on the order +/- 3%. And also note that baseball (a sport whose attendance you disparaged in a piece a few months ago) has seen its top ten attendance figures occur in the last decade, during a time where you claimed the all sports, MLB included, had seen significant drops in attendance. All while opening new ballparks, that in many cases, have seen significant reductions in seating capacity, yet are drawing more fans in total.

    As I stated:

    “Nature abhors a vacuum. These families have found other interests and they’re not coming back anytime soon. Attendance is stable at BEST, and trending the wrong way at most venues. And that is NOT the trend of most of the major league sports in the USA. Discounting strike years, attendance at NFL, NHL, MLB and NBA has been remarkably stable.”

    Your reply:

    “Editor’s Note: NFL excepted, the numbers simply do not back you up. IndyCar remains in the same relative place in the pecking order as it mostly always has been.”

    Demonstrably wrong on your part. As usual.
    Editor’s Note: Moved because not one word has to do with the blog topic. I may address your quaint off topic protestations once I return from Iowa next week.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 12, 2014 @ 7:06 pm | Reply

    • Funny how that works with you. I addressed specific things that YOU wrote about in replies from readers to your blog topic. Issues that YOU raised in context of your replies to the blog topic. Yet my post gets moved because it (in your opinion) doesn’t pertain to the blog topic.

      So if my comments don’t address your blog topic, then how the heck do you explain your own entries?

      Oh, I forgot; honesty and integrity are foreign concepts for you. You moved it solely because it exposes your bullshit.

      And don’t hurry to bless us with your scary ramblings regarding the issues I’ve raised; if they’re anything like the rest of your unmitigated b.s. it won’t be anything that either:imparts useful knowledge, or can be backed up by independent references for the nonsense you peddle.

      Be proud of yourself; after ( allegedly) following the sport for nearly 50 years you’ve managed to not learn anything of value, nor have you learned to be honest about anything. Good job!
      Editor’s Note: Simple solution…if the topic is about Pocono, stick to Pocono. Leave all the disdain for the author in the second grade where it appears to have originated.

      Comment by Olderfan — July 13, 2014 @ 12:51 am | Reply

  108. Re: your response(s) on driver/field quality.

    So, first you defend the level and talent of the current Indycar field with this:

    “Editor’s Note: And yet the actual participants in the sport seem to feel the level of competition and depth of the field has never been higher. But what do they know? LOL.”

    Then you “double down” on that sentiment with this:

    “Editor’s Note: Several non-driver content experts have also spoken highly of the diverse and deep field they feel is participating today.”

    And finally-

    Bob Chin writes:

    “Parity is a function of spec racing, not a level of driver skill.”

    Your reply:

    “Editor’s Note: The majority of actual drivers in the series today disagree with that assessment.”

    And then, when Bob Chinn points out the obvious:

    “So the majority of today’s drivers don’t want to acknowledge that they’re not as good as their more daring and skilled predecessors? Shocking!”

    You then try to cover your ass with:

    “Editor’s Note: According to them they are the best the sport has ever seen. They are good, but not really any better or worse than any other generation as a whole. As an actual fan I have seen many of the legends, including all four of AJ Foyt’s 500 wins.”

    So Al Unser doesn’t matter, but Foyt does? Hmm…

    I tell ya, I’m glad you write this stuff down. It would be difficult to figure out where the lies start with you, but for the convenience that you afford us by putting it all online.

    Wait, it really isn’t that hard. Just start at the first word of each of your posts. Everything after that is a lie. Sorry, I didn’t realize how easy it was!

    Comment by Olderfan — July 12, 2014 @ 7:10 pm | Reply

  109. No, those of us who are true fans have simply wanted better for the sport. I’ll leave the steady diet of childish insults to you.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 12, 2014 @ 7:13 pm | Reply

  110. Ah, once again moving posts and replies that offer concrete proof of how utterly incorrect you are. You write total b.s. and drivel IN THIS THREAD regarding attendance of All sports, so I provide links with hard evidence to disprove your assertions. What do you do? You move the posts, tagging them as “off topic”. What utter steaming bullshit. You’re a fraud, a coward, and a moron. Why don’t you just come out and say it, Asswipe. “Don’t post here unless you agree with me” At least let everyone in on the joke that this forum is. You’re as truthful as a corrupt politician. And knowing the wife you’re married to, I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise.
    Editor’s Note: I don’t have time to screw around with this nonsense for a few days. I am currently dodging rain in Iowa, where hopefully we get to enjoy a race later tonight. Patience, grasshopper.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 12, 2014 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

  111. A typicall, cowardly response from you. Sad that you’re unable to support your position with actual facts. Sad, but never surprising.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 12, 2014 @ 8:47 pm | Reply

  112. More banishment because you’re unable to discuss things on a factual basis, resulting instead to childish insults that are your only weapon against those who call you on your massive hyperbole?
    Editor’s Note: No banishment here. Just relocation to the more appropriate comment section.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 14, 2014 @ 7:38 pm | Reply

  113. No time? Which takes more time, you lying sack of shit: leaving my FACTUALLY ACCURATE rebuttal of your false statements right where they were, or spending the time it took to read and decide to move them, because they exposed your lies?

    Anyone with a brain knows that answer; you moved them because you don’t want your precious little fabrications exposed.

    A fraud, a coward and a liar; all apt descriptions of you.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 14, 2014 @ 7:56 pm | Reply

  114. No time? Which takes more time, you lying sack of shit: leaving my FACTUALLY ACCURATE rebuttal of your false statements right where they were, or spending the time it took to read and decide to move them, because they exposed your lies?

    Anyone with a brain knows that answer; you moved them because you don’t want your precious little fabrications exposed.

    A fraud, a coward and a liar; all apt descriptions of you.
    Editor’s Note: Got obsession? Look kid, it was a long way to Iowa, and between that and time in Chicago on Sunday one of the very last things on my mind was pointless tit-for-tat with comment contributors on a blog.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 14, 2014 @ 7:57 pm | Reply

  115. I’ll re-post this, seeing as you’ve moved what was a post that stayed ON TOPIC as it pertains to your completely incorrect assertion regarding attendance at sporting events (that YOU posted in replies on this thread)

    So, until our intepid host with obvious integrity challenges moves it AGAIN, here is what ol’ D-boy doesn’t want you to know:

    “Sorry, but, as usual, virtually none of your contentions hold up under scrutiny (with the possible exception of your criticism of the Hulman George family-there, except for holding the real culprit in that family accountable, you do assign blame, at least for the condition of your beloved speedway).

    Ownership groups kill most series? I’m sorry, but pretty much ALL of the major sports (NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA, for starters) are run by the OWNERS. They may hire a commisioner, executive director, etc, but in the end the owners control the sport/league. And in the cases of those aforementioned sports, ALL of them are far more financially successful than Indycar, and receive far more media attention.

    As far as attendance goes, your assertions are just plain wrong:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193420/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nfl-since-2006/

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193632/average-regular-season-home-attendance-per-team-in-the-nba-since-2006/

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193415/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nhl-since-2006/

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121004&content_id=39485178&c_id=mlb

    http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5848:a-12-year-look-at-mlb-attendance-shows-new-ballparks-key-clubs-factors-in-growth&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2013/10/03/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-mlbs-2013-attendance/

    Note that the fluctuation in average or total attendance is on the order +/- 3%. And also note that baseball (a sport whose attendance you disparaged in a piece a few months ago) has seen its top ten attendance figures occur in the last decade, during a time where you claimed the all sports, MLB included, had seen significant drops in attendance. All while opening new ballparks, that in many cases, have seen significant reductions in seating capacity, yet are drawing more fans in total.

    As I stated:

    “Nature abhors a vacuum. These families have found other interests and they’re not coming back anytime soon. Attendance is stable at BEST, and trending the wrong way at most venues. And that is NOT the trend of most of the major league sports in the USA. Discounting strike years, attendance at NFL, NHL, MLB and NBA has been remarkably stable.”

    Your reply:

    “Editor’s Note: NFL excepted, the numbers simply do not back you up. IndyCar remains in the same relative place in the pecking order as it mostly always has been.”

    Demonstrably wrong on your part. As usual.”

    Editor’s Note: Moved because not one word has to do with the blog topic. I may address your quaint off topic protestations once I return from Iowa next week.
    (So, your comments had nothing to do with the blog topic, either, moron? Thanks for clearing that up. YOU opened up the subject regarding attendance, particularly as it pertained to POCONO)

    Comment by Olderfan — July 14, 2014 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

  116. I’ll re-post this, seeing as you’ve moved what was a post that stayed ON TOPIC as it pertains to your completely incorrect assertion regarding attendance at sporting events (that YOU posted in replies on this thread)

    So, until our intepid host with obvious integrity challenges moves it AGAIN, here is what ol’ D-boy doesn’t want you to know:

    “Sorry, but, as usual, virtually none of your contentions hold up under scrutiny (with the possible exception of your criticism of the Hulman George family-there, except for holding the real culprit in that family accountable, you do assign blame, at least for the condition of your beloved speedway).

    Ownership groups kill most series? I’m sorry, but pretty much ALL of the major sports (NFL, MLB, NHL & NBA, for starters) are run by the OWNERS. They may hire a commisioner, executive director, etc, but in the end the owners control the sport/league. And in the cases of those aforementioned sports, ALL of them are far more financially successful than Indycar, and receive far more media attention.

    As far as attendance goes, your assertions are just plain wrong:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193420/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nfl-since-2006/

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193632/average-regular-season-home-attendance-per-team-in-the-nba-since-2006/

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/193415/regular-season-attendance-in-the-nhl-since-2006/

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121004&content_id=39485178&c_id=mlb

    http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5848:a-12-year-look-at-mlb-attendance-shows-new-ballparks-key-clubs-factors-in-growth&catid=26:editorials&Itemid=39

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2013/10/03/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-of-mlbs-2013-attendance/

    Note that the fluctuation in average or total attendance is on the order +/- 3%. And also note that baseball (a sport whose attendance you disparaged in a piece a few months ago) has seen its top ten attendance figures occur in the last decade, during a time where you claimed the all sports, MLB included, had seen significant drops in attendance. All while opening new ballparks, that in many cases, have seen significant reductions in seating capacity, yet are drawing more fans in total.

    As I stated:

    “Nature abhors a vacuum. These families have found other interests and they’re not coming back anytime soon. Attendance is stable at BEST, and trending the wrong way at most venues. And that is NOT the trend of most of the major league sports in the USA. Discounting strike years, attendance at NFL, NHL, MLB and NBA has been remarkably stable.”

    Your reply:

    “Editor’s Note: NFL excepted, the numbers simply do not back you up. IndyCar remains in the same relative place in the pecking order as it mostly always has been.”

    Demonstrably wrong on your part. As usual.”

    Editor’s Note: Moved because not one word has to do with the blog topic. I may address your quaint off topic protestations once I return from Iowa next week.
    (So, your comments had nothing to do with the blog topic, either, moron? Thanks for clearing that up. YOU opened up the subject regarding attendance, particularly as it pertained to POCONO)
    Editor’s Note: You are doing a fine job of pigeonholing isolated non-neutral pieces of data to support your quaint hypothesis. In actual reality television ratings in general have dropped 60% since 2002. And baseball? In ten years baseball on Fox and ESPN has lost about a million per game. Attendance is down this year over last by almost a million. You can pigeonhole all you want but in terms of general trends try reputable neutral sources; e.g., Sports Business Journal, Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, etc. I know you might have to pay but I’ll take coherence over hysteria any day of the week.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 14, 2014 @ 8:26 pm | Reply

    • I posted a reply to your easily dis-proven claims, but I don’t see it here now. In any case, I’ll touch on something else that you just brought up, to show how easy it is to punch holes in your little mis-informed screeds.

      Quote (from you): “Attendance is down this year over last by almost a million.”

      Ok, lets see if we can figure this out together, shall we? The baseball season is roughly half over, and (not counting for games lost to weather issues, that have yet to be played/rescheduled) you report that attendance is down by ~ 1 million.

      We’ll extrapolate that out over the whole season; ~ 2 million down for the entire MLB season. Ok, lets do some basic calculations, shall we? Last year attendance was ~ 74 MILLION. 2 MILLION is what percentage of that amount? I’ll save you that trouble of asking your mom for help there kid. It’s ~ 2.7 %. Which just happens to be in the typical range of fluctuation year over year. Imagine that.

      Now, How much did Pocono lose this year? Texas? Iowa? Detroit? How about year over year for the last 5 years? A bit more than 2 % sweetie. Nice try. Thanks for playing.

      Come back when you learn to add. Or think rationally.

      Comment by Olderfan — July 14, 2014 @ 9:25 pm | Reply

  117. Learn to read, genius. My post directly dealt with physical attendance at events, not television ratings. Your contention regarding an attendance drop this year is suspicious, particularly since, like all of your assertions, you provide NO hard evidence to support your claim.

    Your claim that attendance has dropped significantly was easily proven wrong through multiple sources. With the proliferation of cable and satellite regional and national networks television ratings for everything have dropped off, no one is debating that. What is relevant to the extent that ratings have fallen for Indy car as opposed to other sports but I was NOT here to discuss that.

    But if you want to do the math, go ahead: which is greater-the 60% ( your figure) that baseball has allegedly dropped, or the typical Indycar rating, which back before the creation of the IRL, regularly got 2.0-2.5 (for non Indy 500 broadcasts) and now is lucky to get a 0.2. We’ll wait for your answer.

    I posted links to what I thought you could possibly open without having to pay for them, like I do and I am NOT going to put them up on your website and violate the terms of service agreements, just as you will not for Nielsen ratings.

    In any case, are those sources any more or less neutral then your reported figures from the promoters of the events that you attend? Nope.

    Sorry, sweetie, but as always none of your claims hold up under even the most moderate scrutiny. You can peddle your b.s. here all you want; it’s your nickel, so to speak. And to paraphrase ( more or less) : “You’re entitled to your own opinion. You’re NOT entitled to your own FACTS.”

    Comment by Olderfan — July 14, 2014 @ 8:58 pm | Reply

  118. Ok. Nice list. Convenient that you failed to note which of those tracks “died” or went away after the IRL came to town.

    We’ll do it for you:

    Las Vegas, Phoenix, Pikes Peak, Walt Disney World, Nazareth (no problem with attendance BEFORE the split, and nothing wrong with the facility while the IRL was there-it closed after the last IRL event. Seems to be a habit.) Louden (after one attempt to re-start event. Can’t blame that all on the weather) Miami, Charlotte, MIS, Baltimore, Dover, Gateway, Chicagoland, Motegi (and with the track owner-HONDA-supplying engines to the series exclusively, for years. When one of 2 engine providers doesn’t want you on their home track, that’s saying a lot for the product), Kansas, Richmond (ah, yes, those mean NASCAR poachers-if the series was worth having there, the track would be able to get another sponsor), Brazil, Surfers Paradise, Watkins Glen, Edmonton., NOLA.

    And of those tracks, how many bailed AFTER the buyout/merger, when the IRL was the only (open wheel) game in town? at LEAST 10. In just 6 years. 11 if you count Detroit, which bailed and came back with poorly attended double headers, where the track patches peeled off the surface-great venue there. And if you count ALL of the tracks that bailed from the IRL before the merger the list is bigger. But we’ll take some pity on you tonight.

    And let’s not count (to be fair) all of those “temporary” small ovals that Jack Long and Tony George talked about building around the country. The only one of those ever to see the light of day was Walt Disney World, which vanished like all of the promises for the coming success of the IRL. Although hosting the Richard Petty Driving Experience allows Disney to recoup the investment that the IRL never paid off.

    Sponsors: Northern Lights, Pep Boys, Izod, Bombardier, Marlboro, Brazil Ethanol, to name a few-most of whom terminated their sponsorship deals early.

    Cars (since that seems to count for you) and engines :Panoz/G-Force, Falcon (LOL), Riley & Scott/Crawford, Oldsmobile, Infiniti, Toyota, Menard, Cosworth (the “Chevworth” replacement for the Chevrolet engine).

    We could do this forever, dipshit. At least it took ~ 25 years for the CART series to fail. The current IRL/Indycar series has yet to be successful ANY year, and will exist for as long as the family keeps generating whatever funding it needs to limp along. All while losing tracks and attendance, and failing to generate any significant “buzz” outside of the 500. (Which, lets face it, is what it’s all about anyway-the thought of a series standing alone apart from the IMS was something that the family couldn’t abide. They just needed the coke addict “front man” to spend the other side into oblivion.

    Oh, just a quick quest-I’m curious. Does that helmet you’re wearing in your “mug shot” serve to keep intelligent thought out, or is it to keep the stupid in? (’cause if it’s the latter, I’m afraid it’s not working!)

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

  119. The Indycar series is like the kid who doesn’t do his homework, and gets caught by his teacher-”the dog ate it!” It was here a minute ago!” You get the point (well, maybe. I’ll draw you a picture later, if I have to)

    With you and Indycar it’s-”ooooh, the weather was bad” “it was too hot” “It was too cold” “someone stole my sponsor” “That’s a bad date” “It was Fourth of July” “SMI owns that track, and they don’t like us” wah, wah, waaaaah. Like that kid with his homework, it’s EVERYONE ELSE”S FAULT! When do you, and the rest of the perceptually challenged dolts that blindly support this thing finally wake up and smell the coffee? To paraphrase James Carville-”IT”S THE PRODUCT, STUPID!”

    Oh, and all of the rest of us should take YOUR attendance figures as gospel? And we know who YOU talked to? (Not that you EVER disclose a source, or offer any corroboration for your attendance claims. Frankly, I’ll take the word of reporters that actually get PAID to write about this rolling clusterf*&k than the word of a self annointed “insider” with a blog.

    Let’s see, (just as an example of your stellar investigative skills)Texas was reported (by you) with the following attendance-first ~65K (according to the track owner/promotoer, or, as you put it “track personnel”-hardly an unbiased source, and completely unattributed to ANY SPECIFIC track official-how convenient for you) Then, in a reply to a comment, you stated that actual attendance was ~ 47K. Later in that same thread, a poster reported that closed sections of the grandstand left an approximate seating capacity of ~ 28K (seems low, even for Indycar), and that was NOT full. You responded by calling that assertion “full on nutty”. Yet, that guesstimate was supported by PAID reporters that follow the series.

    Now, was that final number (< 28K) accurate? Probably not (quite possibly lower), but it's supported by the exact same "proof" as any of your claims. But if you think ~ 20-25K in a facility that holds well in excess of 110K is a "good crowd" then that explains a lot for the rest of us. Also note that you made the same type of observations regarding POCONO, with the same, unverified, unattributed source for you claims, when PAID reporters (who have been involved with all of the forms of this series, and as part of real organizations, not just a cheesy blog) reported that actual attendance was far less than your number.

    And that brings us to a very relevant observation-I find it curious that, in all of your reported "facts" regarding IMS and Indycar, there is never a hard link to ANY other source for your claims. No quotes directly made to you that can be directly attributed to a series official, the Hulmans, Mark Miles, Derrick Walker, etc. No photographs of you with any of the people that you attribute your "facts" to. None. Verrrry interesting.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 12:30 pm | Reply

  120. Are you saying that either Honda, Marlboro or other companies didn’t paper the house at any event? All you need to do is find the old Racer issue where they Photoshopped a crowd into the grandstand at Nazareth to see all of the red hats there.

    But, good luck finding out about how many freebies were given out. You couldn’t get that info with a good crowd. Think anyone is going to admit that number when the total number in attendance was so embarrassing?

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 7:26 pm | Reply

  121. Oh, and where, prey tell is that “factual data” you’re talking about?

    We’ve yet to see ANY hard evidence to support your claims. EVER.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 7:27 pm | Reply

  122. Wasn’t it YOU that claimed Miller is a hack EX – CART employee?

    But now he’s relevant?

    Jeesh, make up your mind.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 7:27 pm | Reply

  123. We’ll just have to keep moving these back to where they belong; direct responses to issues YOU raise in these posts and comments. Not the off topic status you claim them to be.

    My original response:

    “Ok. Nice list. Convenient that you failed to note which of those tracks “died” or went away after the IRL came to town.

    We’ll do it for you:

    Las Vegas, Phoenix, Pikes Peak, Walt Disney World, Nazareth (no problem with attendance BEFORE the split, and nothing wrong with the facility while the IRL was there-it closed after the last IRL event. Seems to be a habit.) Louden (after one attempt to re-start event. Can’t blame that all on the weather) Miami, Charlotte, MIS, Baltimore, Dover, Gateway, Chicagoland, Motegi (and with the track owner-HONDA-supplying engines to the series exclusively, for years. When one of 2 engine providers doesn’t want you on their home track, that’s saying a lot for the product), Kansas, Richmond (ah, yes, those mean NASCAR poachers-if the series was worth having there, the track would be able to get another sponsor), Brazil, Surfers Paradise, Watkins Glen, Edmonton., NOLA.

    And of those tracks, how many bailed AFTER the buyout/merger, when the IRL was the only (open wheel) game in town? at LEAST 10. In just 6 years. 11 if you count Detroit, which bailed and came back with poorly attended double headers, where the track patches peeled off the surface-great venue there. And if you count ALL of the tracks that bailed from the IRL before the merger the list is bigger. But we’ll take some pity on you tonight.

    And let’s not count (to be fair) all of those “temporary” small ovals that Jack Long and Tony George talked about building around the country. The only one of those ever to see the light of day was Walt Disney World, which vanished like all of the promises for the coming success of the IRL. Although hosting the Richard Petty Driving Experience allows Disney to recoup the investment that the IRL never paid off.

    Sponsors: Northern Lights, Pep Boys, Izod, Bombardier, Marlboro, Brazil Ethanol, to name a few-most of whom terminated their sponsorship deals early.

    Cars (since that seems to count for you) and engines :Panoz/G-Force, Falcon (LOL), Riley & Scott/Crawford, Oldsmobile, Infiniti, Toyota, Menard, Cosworth (the “Chevworth” replacement for the Chevrolet engine).

    We could do this forever, dipshit. At least it took ~ 25 years for the CART series to fail. The current IRL/Indycar series has yet to be successful ANY year, and will exist for as long as the family keeps generating whatever funding it needs to limp along. All while losing tracks and attendance, and failing to generate any significant “buzz” outside of the 500. (Which, lets face it, is what it’s all about anyway-the thought of a series standing alone apart from the IMS was something that the family couldn’t abide. They just needed the coke addict “front man” to spend the other side into oblivion.

    Oh, just a quick quest-I’m curious. Does that helmet you’re wearing in your “mug shot” serve to keep intelligent thought out, or is it to keep the stupid in? (’cause if it’s the latter, I’m afraid it’s not working!)”

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 7:28 pm | Reply

  124. (Repeat of previous comment above)

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 8:57 pm | Reply

  125. (Repeat of previous lengthy diatribe/off topic commentary above TWENTY-TWO additional times. Literally. We’re dealing with a mentally ill entity here.)

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 9:24 pm | Reply

  126. Want me to stop? Just answer my questions and address the points that I, Bob Chinn, and others have raised.

    Include some HARD evidence or links to support your positions. I’m betting that you can’t.

    Otherwise just keep moving the posts and showing the rest of us what a swiveling little coward you are.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 9:25 pm | Reply

  127. Sniveling coward. Don’t want to confuse you.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 9:26 pm | Reply

  128. COWARD. Come’on. Man up. Show us some of that scary intellect. Address my points, or are to to scared to have an honest discussion?

    Comment by Olderfan — July 15, 2014 @ 10:28 pm | Reply

  129. I spend PLENTY of my own cash attending racing and other events throughout the year D-boy, including the entry fees for NASA lapping and track days, and karting at OVRP. Unlike you who claims to get “comped” as a media member (LOL). Y I just won’t spend it on what has become an inferior product. Because And be grateful that I, and a few others are obsessive, particularly about getting out the truth. Otherwise you’d have no one reading or commenting on your latest round of incoherence.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 16, 2014 @ 8:18 pm | Reply

  130. What are you so afraid of? That your delusional ramblings can’t pass the smell test?

    Grow a set, leave the comment up and let’s see who agrees with you or me. I’m betting that you won’t because you are a COWARD.

    “I spend PLENTY of my own cash attending racing and other events throughout the year D-boy, including the entry fees for NASA lapping and track days, and karting at OVRP. Unlike you who claims to get “comped” as a media member (LOL). I just won’t spend it on what has become an inferior product.

    And be grateful that I, and a few others are obsessive, particularly about getting out the truth. Otherwise you’d have no one reading or commenting on your latest round of incoherence.”

    Comment by Olderfan — July 17, 2014 @ 1:12 pm | Reply

  131. Dave is Winfield just so everyone knows. He thinks his vision to hate anything CART is the way to go. No wonder you have used him in your story. He fits your own hate anything CART agenda. Your side won. What they won I haven’t figured out but it most certain lye is not a viable fanbase.
    Editor’s Note: This one was borderline. Perhaps if you learn to speak English it will make it next time.

    Comment by Willy Pheistergache — July 20, 2014 @ 12:36 am | Reply

  132. You “guess” its a matter of “personal prejudice”? Thats funny. You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own “facts”. Ratings are miserable, support series non existant, double headers on foreign street circuits, ride buyers, but yeah, you still got Indy. D, you really should have been a political speechwriter. You spin with the best of them. Enjoy the race, I will be watching to see if Rosberg can hold off a charging Hamilton who has to start from 15 th. and don’t count out Bottas our Kvyat or Riccardo.
    Editor’s Note: Have fun with that. Personally I’ll watch but it bores me, the cars are ugly and now they sound like crap. I have no affinity for any driver. They are all the same to me. But I have never once been to any F-1 centric website comment section to repeatedly inform the fans that I believe what they like sucks. Maturity and all.

    Comment by Spicoli — July 20, 2014 @ 12:42 am | Reply

    • You may be “mature” as it relates to your actual age. But it’s the “all” part that you fail miserably at.

      Looking forward to 17 through 24…

      Comment by Olderfan — July 20, 2014 @ 1:38 am | Reply

  133. Why? Because you cant handle the truth? More win brought to you by Defender and the people who take down aluminum stands. Lolz.

    Comment by Spicoli — July 21, 2014 @ 1:06 am | Reply

  134. I’ll take your continued inability to offer a substantive rebuttal as clear evidence of the accuracy of my comments. There’s no need to scream about it. It is evident to anyone who understands the sport.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 21, 2014 @ 1:34 pm | Reply

  135. Wow! I’ll admit to goofing on you big time, and implying that you’ve got serious personal issues, but even I didn’t ascribe all those behaviors to you. Is there something you’re trying to tell us big boy? As for “wittle” did you ever hear of Elmer Fudd? I don’t think “wabbit” is a real world either doofus. So not only are you full of yourself, you’ve got no understanding of literary license either. I guess, since you’re so quick to tag everyone as a “fourth grader” that you probably spent the best 6 years of your life there. Toodles! :-)

    Comment by Olderfan — July 21, 2014 @ 5:55 pm | Reply

  136. (Comment above repeated twice)

    Comment by Olderfan — July 21, 2014 @ 7:37 pm | Reply

  137. Let’s not go there dipshit. If you want to get on me for misspelling Arie Luyendyks name well good for you.

    Meanwhile let’s count your grammatical and syntax errors, as well as the insulting use of the word ” retarded” for everyone that doesn’t agree with you.

    And noted was your usual deflection; I didn’t bring up Jack Miller or Racing Gardner ( and really what’s the point? They’re long standing punchlines to the joke that the early IRL lineup consisted of.

    What was really apparent in your reply was the absolute ignorance of the points I raised. Not surprising. I see from a later blog entry that you’ve “taken to task” Indycar officials for the Toronto debacles. LOL.As if you’d do anything about it, such as refuse to hand over any more of your hard earned (now there’s a stretch) cash until the rolling epitome of incompetence either dies a natural death or gets some real professional management. Good luck with that.

    Editor’s Note: Same comment repeated.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 22, 2014 @ 12:30 am | Reply

    • come on older fan, speaking of incompetence and dying, tell us about the circus series that no longer exists. i have every one of those races on dvd. where do we start? lol

      Comment by the circus left town — July 22, 2014 @ 9:29 am | Reply

      • Yo, circus boy: If the old CART series had a nearly unlimited hoard of cash to dip into they’d probabaly still be here. And without the Hulman family businesses such as clabber girl the IRL would be extinct as well (Oh, wait it is-I forgot. What really exists is CART Lite). You know, kind of like Miller Lite (and I’m paraphrasing here) with “half the fans, “half the ratings, ” and none of the interest. ” I’m glad that you’ve got all the old CART races on DVD; this way you can watch ‘em and see what is was like when A: You had technical diversity, B: MORE ovals than you have now, and C: Sold out venues, including Indy. There. You feel better now? Good. Glad I could help.
        Editor’s Note: So are you saying that had cart not gone out of business, twice, after the Tony Tantrum that everything would be as great as you though t it was? If so you really are clinically insane and/or willfully mentally retarded.

        Comment by Olderfan — July 24, 2014 @ 1:15 am

  138. Why are you censoring so much! Are you afraid of a backlash or something? I think it is because you have been called out on so many issues and don’t have any clue how to respond other than to use childish insults. I know you will delete this and call me some name but you at least have to read this once. We all know you are just a putz and general laughingstock who has his head soooooo far up the Hulman family ass and will never understand the real business of racing. You only care for a piece of ground in the hood. Funny how you use monkeys to reference the area. It clearly shows how racist you really are. No wonder no one likes you and you keep getting banned from racing forums. You can hide all you want here but we will always be here too reminding you just how much of a douchebag you really really are! Bwahahahahaha!

    Comment by Willy Pheistergache — July 22, 2014 @ 11:35 am | Reply

    • Willy-you answered your own questions. Dead nuts on with all of it, sir. Believe or not I don’t have an issue with Defenders’ “fandom” The problem is, frankly, he’s a liar. It’s beyond simple to disprove his contentions, and as soon as you do-“poof” your post is gone. (at least he can’t do that at IBJ.com blog pages-that must drive him nuts. No hiding from the truth there). Funny thing is, he’d be better off, and the blog would be more interesting, if he’d leave the opposing opinions up to generate some interest in the topics, but I guess he just can’t deal with not being the smartest guy in the room, even when he owns the room. Oh, well. At least we get to brush up on the compassion skills that we need when we deal with such a “special” person.
      Editor’s Note: Here’s the thing…as an adult I tend to leave commentary in comment sections that is relevant to the actual topic. In Schoettle’s blog, there are two intelligent, on target pieces of commentary directly related to the content of the blog. Almost everything else is the wildly divergent, mostly illiterate meandering of retarded beings acting like four year olds. I do not want to be associated with that type of mental illness. The old adage ‘never argue with an idiot because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience’ holds true. It is a real shame such obsessed folks refuse to mature. You, and they, give the sport a black eye. Grow up.

      Comment by Olderfan — July 24, 2014 @ 1:24 am | Reply

    • Interesting that you, a person that calls everyone that disagrees with you either “retarded” or a fourth grader would admonish others to “grow up”.

      As they say, “after you, sir.”
      It is hardly a matter of disagreeing with me. It is a matter of you and others acting like retarded fourth graders who lack the maturity to function as walking upright humans in society. The planet would be far better off with your kind not on it.

      Comment by Olderfan — July 24, 2014 @ 2:41 pm | Reply

  139. Geez, this sentence really flows:

    “Indycar cannot really afford to drop ANY television turds ANY more”

    What’s next, a double negative?

    And you’ve got an issue with misspellings?

    Comment by Olderfan — July 22, 2014 @ 11:37 am | Reply

  140. Herman,

    And who is going to care when you assume room temperature?

    That’s right – NO ONE!

    Eff off, genius.

    Comment by Olderfan — July 23, 2014 @ 6:14 pm | Reply

  141. “Why not blog about something that is important or relevant and stop crying over spilled milk your guys poured onto the floor?”

    You need to follow this advice in every way possible. At the very least, it would help you establish even a modicum of credibility.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 31, 2014 @ 11:11 am | Reply

  142. As usual, you’re incapable of dealing with the truth of how things were and are today. Your loss.
    Editor’s Note: Here’s a helpful hint for the tact challenged: If you stick to the actual topic, which is not about the author, you stand a better chance of getting your contributions posted within the intended topic. Is there any portion of that etiquette with which you are having difficulty processing? If so, you are likely to end up here a lot. If not, good luck.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 31, 2014 @ 1:46 pm | Reply

  143. You bitterly devote nine paragraphs to a subject that you claim should be ancient history and then censor any commentary that takes issue with you view. Why have a blog if you don’t want to elicit informed opinions?
    Editor’s Note: Here’s a helpful hint for the tact challenged: If you stick to the actual topic, which is not about the author, you stand a better chance of getting your contributions posted within the intended topic. Is there any portion of that etiquette with which you are having difficulty processing? If so, you are likely to end up here a lot. If not, good luck.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — July 31, 2014 @ 5:55 pm | Reply

    • This has nothing to do with sticking to the topic. You’re simply intolerant of those of us who consistently prove you wrong. It makes you utterly foolish and that embarrasses you, so you move the comments so others can’t see them.
      Editor’s Note: You are incapable of reading, comprehending or any other sort of even primitive social interaction. If comments address the topic, they stay. If comments consist of childish name calling, they move. In either case potentially interested and/or masochistic readers know exactly where to find them. My suggestion: Grow up and address topics, or run along, stick to the second grade and allow the adults to converse intelligently.

      Comment by Bob Chinn — August 1, 2014 @ 12:11 am | Reply

      • You banish comments because you’re consistently proven wrong, then you engage in childish name calling. It’s easy to see why the Trackforum people ran you off (especially after you blatantly misrepresented yourself and were exposed as a liar). Had to be embarrassing, even for you.

        Comment by Bob Chinn — August 4, 2014 @ 2:11 am

  144. its hard to tell which this is here, your head or your ass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqCfVVkT2KI

    Comment by improbbalydrunk — July 31, 2014 @ 8:08 pm | Reply

  145. We are laughing at you. Your reply just shows how little you actually know about what really went on. Your hero Tony saved the speedway just for you. There is a monkey waiting for you as a gift if you know what I mean. He will be in the coke lot waiting. You will know when you see him. Writing a shitty reply to a great story is typical of a piece of shit such as yourself.

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — July 31, 2014 @ 8:23 pm | Reply

  146. so much for dissenting opinion!

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — August 10, 2014 @ 1:44 pm | Reply

  147. Nice comment section. LOL.

    Comment by spicoli — August 12, 2014 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  148. After all these years, you are still looking for a fight with those so-called CART enthusiasts. Perhaps it is time for you to move on.

    Comment by TroyM — August 19, 2014 @ 12:56 pm | Reply

  149. Typical . You are once again spinning like a top. Your side won Disciple and this is what you are left with. Perfect for your very simple mind.

    Comment by Willy Pheistergache — August 21, 2014 @ 1:59 pm | Reply

  150. Did you sit near that new Gomer bisp? I hear he was there.

    Comment by Willy Pheistergache — August 21, 2014 @ 2:00 pm | Reply

  151. Clearly, there are more than a few blank side pods. Suggesting otherwise is foolish. The recently announced merger of two teams isn’t occurring because both are flush with financial support, and the recently announced departure of another sponsor may ultimately be responsible for the demise of two other teams. When I use the word “dearth”, these are obvious examples.

    As I said, MA and DH expressed disappointment with the crowd, and it clearly was not good.

    Again, I accept that you cannot offer any data to support your assertion, which is why it lacks credibility. Like a math teacher who provides full credit only if one shows his/her work, there is a standard here that you simply have not met.

    Finally, there is no compelling reason whatsoever for the WSF to include indy car in their festivities. None. I certainly understand why indy car would want to run then, but that option obviously isn’t available to them.

    Thanks for chatting.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — August 21, 2014 @ 5:42 pm | Reply

  152. Ah, your usual mildly insulting responses, written in the style of a 12 year old with a head injury. I’ve got no problems with my reading and comprehension; the issue is that your contentions don’t hold up under scrutiny. Name any major league sport that existed 20 years ago that now has half the attendance it used to. You can’t, because your contentions aren’t true. Most other sports have been remarkably stable, even in a world that is fundamentally different than it was 20 years ago.
    Editor’s Note: Assume you are referring to the major stick n’ balls; e.g., MLB, NFL, NBA and NHL. That is what is referred to as pigeonholing to try and fit your argument. Besides, MLB a is down significantly. NBA is also down in terms of ratings and attendance. You are also assuming IndyCar was at least one time ‘major.’ It wasn’t. Oh it was in the deluded fantasy world of the disenfranchised cart enthusiast but that is never reflective of actual reality. NASCAR was considered major for a while, but their ratings and attendance are dramatically down too. So is attendance and box office for movies. Golf. Concerts. It has more to do with this being 2014 and not 1991 more than anything.

    The attendance numbers for open wheel used to be tabulated by Goodyear, and were generally accepted by the vast majority of fans and media as being pretty accurate. At their peak, attendance for open wheel events exceeded 2 million per year; now, as reported by YOU it is just over 1 million. Even for someone with the obvious cognitive difficulties you seem to possess, that works out to about half. And none of the major sports in the USA have seen in excess of 80 % of its television ratings disappear, despite the changed landscape you cite when making excuses for the current ICS.
    Editor’s Note: So now it’s MAJOR sports, huh? LOL. If you want viable comparisons you need to consider apples to apples.

    But as to your original pie in the sky point, who would ever think to aquire this series? No drivers with any national presence, miniscule ratings, televised events with massive amounts of empty seats and a financial plan that even track owners (Watkins Glen and Road America, ISC and SMI) can’t make work. Maybe if you hit the lottery you could buy it. Then we could all see those amazing media skills you’ve honed for years as you catapult this series to the lofty heights it so deserves. LOL
    Editor’s Note: Actually, as an actual fan I do what I can by attending the events. All but three this season. Headed to SoCal on Wednesday. As an added bonus they may announce the expanded 2015 schedule there. So I’ll have at least one more year to enjoy it while you children continue to steam in your own juices chicken littleing your away through life incoherently.

    Comment by Olderfan — August 25, 2014 @ 4:16 pm | Reply

  153. You know, you make this so easy that it becomes boring. I’ve posted links to sites that contradict virtually each of your idiotic assertions regarding attendance and ratings of sports in this country. You relocate them because they show how ridiculous your “facts” are.

    I’ll say it again: your contentions that attendance and ratings are way off at ALL sports is simply incorrect. The data needed to show that you’re wrong is widely available on line and through advanced search tools.

    You are perhaps the biggest user of “pigeonholing” or cherry picking of statistics of anyone; Golf is dying? Check the ratings Mr. Mogul. Course closings? About 500 in the last few years. Approximately 2% of all courses out of a total of 16,000. And that after the addition of 4500 courses in the previous 15-20 years. Too bad indycar isn’t “dying” like that.

    You’re a fraud. You can’t or won’t post any real data to support your claims because you’ll “lose your job”. Please. You can’t because you don’t have anything to support your nonsense. Talk about needing to grow up. Ask your mom to let you out of the basement once and awhile.

    Comment by Olderfan — August 25, 2014 @ 5:24 pm | Reply

  154. Here’s the proof in your pudding: after nearly 20 years the current version of indycar hasn’t been able to attract and maintain a long term sponsorship relationship with any company. Bombardier, Northern Lights, Pep , Izod, amongst others. All virtually one and done – either not renewing or bailed ahead of their original sponsorship deals.

    More proof: a trail of failed tracks and events: Baltimore, Louden, Dover, Richmond, Kansas, Chicagoland, Walt Disney World, Nazareth, Watkins Glen just to name a few. The ICS is like a locust plague; they show up, strip the land for whatever meager resources they attract and leave a barren wasteland behind, devoid of any life or fanbase. Attendance? HALF of what it once was. NO other national sport has had that “success”.
    Editor’s Note: And even the series held up by the disenfranchised chicken little crowd did not measure up. Atlanta, Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cleveland, Denver I, Denver II, Detroit City, Gateway, Germany, Hawaii, Houston, Las Vegas I, Laguna Seca, Las Vegas II, Meadowlands, Mexico I, Mexico II, Miami I, Miami 2, Miami 3, Miami 4, Michigan, Monterrey, Nazareth, Netherlands, Ontario, Pocono, Portland, Quebec I, Quebec II, Riverside, Road America, Sanair, San Jose, Spain, Texas, Trenton, UK I, UK II, Vancouver and Watkins Glen, presented by FedEx, Havoline, K-Mart, Bridgestone, Ford, Cosworth, Lola, Swift, Reynard, Jimmy and various primary colors. Twice. As a self-proclaimed rational thinking adult is it not obvious that IndyCar, which continues running reliably season after season, beats the rather sordid alternative of actual failure? Probably not in the whacky alternate universe of the squatters.

    The NFL usually gets great ratings, College Football, NBA, College Basketball, Olympics (every few years), Golf, NASCAR, Horsies IndyCar, and Soccer and baseball get good ratings for marquee events. Sports that are on US television that are rarely, if ever, rated higher than IndyCar include hockey (other than Stanley Cup finals), lacrosse, rugby, volleyball, Formula 1, sports car racing, V8 Supercars, NHRA, sprint/dirt/et al racing, monster trucks, rodeos, MotoGP, Superbike, demolition derbies, figure 8’s, boxing, mixed martial arts, track and field, tennis, hunting, fishing, cycle racing, mountain climbing, water sports, mountain climbing, equestrian, wrestling (not the WWE-type), archery, shooting, racquetball, X-game type crap, bowling, figure skating, Australian rules football, CFL, cricket, water polo, ultimate Frisbee, curling, handball, inline hockey, roller derby, dodgeball, kickball, softball, most women’s sports led by WNBA, and others. So as you can easily see, the same 9 or 10 sports that have always been more popular than IndyCar still are, and another 50 or so are still rated lower than IndyCar (or in most cases not rated at all).

    And wasn’t it you that claimed that Indy and it’s stars WERE mainstream during the 60s and 70s? But now you like to say it’s always been a niche sport? Geez, make up your mind.
    Editor’s Note: Again, your reading comprehension skills are not even commensurate with a fourth grader. IndyCar has always been within the same niche it is today, the primary difference is the sheer number of competing sports and entertainment offerings, which has diluted the landscape for most everybody. People knew a lot more about IndyCar in the 60s and 70s because NASCAR had not ascended from its southern roots and aside from the major stick and ball sports there was not a lot else. No meaningful cable television or internet either. Just three local channels and an independent in most markets. Despite the continuing off topic doom and glooming I am looking forward to being at Fontana and for next year’s schedule as well.

    Comment by Olderfan — August 25, 2014 @ 6:54 pm | Reply

    • Think you can EVER have any original thought? I mean, criminy, how many times can you write the same blather-” and various primary colors”.

      And nice how you don’t acknowledge that a huge chunk of the venues and sponsors you listed were IRL venues and sponsors that bit the dust after the plague of the IRL hit town.

      And the bulk of the other sports you referenced have never had a major presence at any time on network or cable TV, whereas open wheel racing had been on part with NASCAR right up until about 1995. ( something happened then, just can’t think of it right now. …)

      Indycar doesnt get good ratings for any event, unless you consider record lows for the 500 “good”. And if you do, I think that says more for your mental capacity than any words could ever illustrate.

      Oh, nice qualifier NOW for the obscurity of indycar stars – the rise of NASCAR is to blame. Completely forgetting that Indycar and NASCAR ratings and sponsorship ( not to mention average attendance) were within tenths of a point of each other and Indycar as it was in 1994 had healthy sponsorship for pretty much every team on the grid.

      Keep deluding yourself. Maybe if you repeat it often enough SOMEONE will believe you. The rest of us know better. So back to the basement, Disciple, and enjoy that milk and cookie snack mom made for you. See if you can figure out how to wipe yourself unassisted, ok? Let us know how you make out.

      Comment by Olderfan — August 25, 2014 @ 8:43 pm | Reply

  155. did you see the russian shitwagon pilot get into the grater at fontana? impressive as it was…..i’m hearing the ugly sled didn’t make it onto the radar screens at hatfield. as disappointing as that might sound, still an awesome effort. better luck next time.

    Comment by Some Canadian crapper named JB — September 1, 2014 @ 7:06 pm | Reply

  156. sorry as shit about that post…..got two shitless race series mixed up. forgive me ya’ll. it’s lax that got the night off

    Comment by Some Canadian crapper named JB — September 1, 2014 @ 7:08 pm | Reply

  157. Just another thought- it’s been at least several hours since you’ve posted something disgusting regarding Alex Zanardi under one of your multiple aliases over at IBJ.com. Aren’t you overdue?

    Comment by Olderfan — September 12, 2014 @ 4:57 pm | Reply

  158. Can’t be any dumber than you appear to everyone. Thanks for your concern.

    And by the way, it was YOU that tied CARTS failure to tobacco money.

    At least you didn’t deny your tasteless comments about Zanardi, while posting on other sites under random identities. That’s progress, I guess.

    Comment by Olderfan — September 12, 2014 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  159. I’ll give you credit for being right about something (I guess miracles do occur, even for you). IMS is the only thing keeping this going. It was so much healthier when the 500 was a part of a viable series, say like it was in the 80s and early to mid 90s. But the Terra Haute Clampetts couldn’t stand the possibility that something other than the 500 could approach the worth of that one event. So they fixed it. It’s SO much better now. LOL!

    Comment by Olderfan — September 12, 2014 @ 8:04 pm | Reply

  160. Uninspired, lazy and insulting……lol

    Comment by spicoli — September 13, 2014 @ 1:13 pm | Reply

  161. You moved your OWN quote to the dumpster? Lol. That has to be a first!

    Comment by spicoli — September 13, 2014 @ 3:07 pm | Reply

  162. (Off topic commentary relocated to comment section of 12/19/13 blog)

    Comment by Olderfan — September 14, 2014 @ 11:08 am | Reply

  163. You forgot to include Dan Wheldon and Tony Renna in their flying Dallaras, and Paul Dana, in his stationary one. And Papa Andretti nearly acheived earth orbit after running over some debris. Say hi to Captain Obvious for us, will ya?

    Comment by Olderfan — September 14, 2014 @ 11:09 am | Reply

  164. By the way, your laughable fantasy piece about stalking women was every bit as accurate as your whoppers about being in the sports media business. You were exposed by both multiple posters at TrackForum as a serial liar. Or don’t you remember why we ran you off?

    Comment by Another of the krapper kids — September 14, 2014 @ 11:11 am | Reply

    • Changing my name only proves that I’m correct about this. You were caught lying about your credentials and drummed out of both TF and IMS.
      Editor’s Note: You are not who you claim to be. You are a zero credibility fraud. Grow up or seek help.

      Comment by Turn13 — September 14, 2014 @ 3:46 pm | Reply

      • Pot, meet Kettle. ROFLMAO!
        Editor’s Note: Predictably the only thing on which the adults can count from the handful of kids crapping here is lies. What was it you said yesterday? Something about ‘…I’ll check back in a few weeks?’ But you’ve been back a handful of times on the past 24 hours. Actions speak louder than words, mental patient.

        Comment by Olderfan — September 14, 2014 @ 4:46 pm

  165. This shit again? Jesus. You cannot take your own comments spewed back at you? You are a total wimp.
    Editor’s Note: Helpful hint: Comments related to the topic stay. Anything else goes here.

    Comment by spicoli — September 14, 2014 @ 1:23 pm | Reply

    • Like the mindless hypocrite you are, you don’t live by the standard you demand of others. Is that why you’ve essentially been blacklisted by the HG Family and IMS?

      Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 4:57 am | Reply

  166. I know the difference but you didn’t engage in anything that could be interpreted as intelligent thought. You offered wildly inflated numbers based on no data yet strongly suggested they were credible. They (and, therefore, you), are not.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — September 27, 2014 @ 6:01 pm | Reply

  167. As is your typical way, when you’re unable to provide actual support for your outlandish positions, you offer petty and childish criticism and then relegate replies to such immature drivel to the trash bin. This was yet another example of an idiotic and wholly uneducated offering from you which didn’t hold up to scrutiny. If you ever hope to establish credibility here, you need to offer substantive ideas and commentary. Right now, you simply do not, and it’s why you’re not taken seriously by fans of open wheel racing.
    Editor’s Note: Have you noticed that most of the commentary relegated here is from you? Helpful hint: Stay on the topic and your comments make it. Divert into this kind of immature stupidity and you end up here. Most adult people get that.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 11:01 am | Reply

  168. Again, you claimed 100,000 would subscribe and now you’re foolishly trying to deny it. No wonder the IMS people have refused your inquiries. What a joke you are.
    Editor’s Note: Reading comprehension 101 – use of the word ‘if.’ You should try figuring it out. Also, in order for IMS to refuse my inquiries I would have had to engage them. I have not done that. Creating fantasy/fiction seems to be your only creative talent. Grow up.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 4:15 pm | Reply

    • “the 100,000 who would subscribe”. Once again. Your own words make you look like an idiot (and a liar, too). You get dumber every day.
      Editor’s Note: Try this site in your free time – http://www.readingcomprehensionconnection.com/

      Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 6:08 pm | Reply

      • Try looking at the words that you wrote. It proves what you said and shows you now to be a liar. It also demonstrates that you’re not the media professional you’ve falsely claimed to be. Only a fraud like you would make up such easily disproved garbage. It’s one of the reasons the IMS people won’t even consider working with you, as you know.
        Editor’s Note: I’m being dead serious here. You should seek professional mental health treatment as quickly as possible. This repetitive, obsessive ranting has reached Mark David Chapman levels of creepiness and is very distant from normal. Seek help. It is available and you can be treated. Please take action.

        Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 7:51 pm

  169. Helpful hint: Don’t make incredibly ignorant claims and then offer childish insults when you’re proven wrong. You’ll not look quite so bad. No wonder the IMS people won’t deal with you.
    Editor’s Note: It appears you keep trying to say the same things over and over and expecting some different result. You should learn the difference between ‘claims’ and ‘notions’ as well. Again, for IMS people not to deal with me either I or they would first have to engage the other. That has not occurred in this particular blog scenario. Is there any morsel of this with which you are having difficulty coming to grips?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 4:16 pm | Reply

  170. And have YOU noticed that most of the commentary for ANY of your excursions into literary incoherence are from Bob, myself, or at best 1 or 2 other posters?

    It’s pretty apparent that just about anyone that may have come here in the past has given up trying to engage in an adult dialog with someone that moves or edits every post that points out your inaccuracies. Your categorization that posts are ” off topic” is simply a smokescreen to cover up the fact that a comments author has proven you wrong. The overwhelming majority of comments address either your initial blog topic or points that you yourself raise in your replies.

    It’s much better to comment at sites such as IBJ.COM where unless the post is judged to be obscene or offensive it generally stays up. Even your inane rants, made under the multiple aliases that you use are generally left for all to see. Which is a good thing; one, I’m for letting all viewpoints be seen, and two, your own words and tasteless comments about people such as Alex Zanardi and Greg Moore show the world what a despicable human you are. Keep it up, fraud, those of us that bother to drop by need the laugh.

    Comment by Olderfan — September 28, 2014 @ 5:57 pm | Reply

  171. You made a claim that you couldn’t support and then you backed away from it while attempting to twist what you said. That’s simply a fact. IMS won’t engage with you because your lack of credentials and “baggage” are well known and, as a result, you have no credibility with them. In other words, they would never consider working with you. You know that.
    Editor’s Note: You really do make shit up and run with it, huh? LOL. Do you have any idea whatsoever how completely and utterly stupid you look?

    Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 6:05 pm | Reply

    • Actually, we both know exactly why the IMS people won’t talk to you, in spite of your attempts to change that. once your true self was revealed, you had absolutely no chance with them. You know that.
      Editor’s Note: So let me get this straight. Not only do you know everything about IMS finances but you are also right up to speed on all things HR too. LOL. Further, you are claiming to know my every professional move too. Big LOL. The only thing I know is that you are mentally ill and should seek treatment as soon as possible before you hurt yourself or someone else.

      Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 7:48 pm | Reply

  172. I “know everything about IMS finances”? Never once claimed that in any way, so you’re lying with this idiotic statement. “Right up to speed on all things HR, too”? Whatever babble that is, I never once said it, so lie #2. Finally, why have I been “claiming to know my every professional move, too.”. And that’s lie #3. Nicely done, even for someone who lies as regularly as do you.

    But we both know you got exposed as a fraud within both the open wheel community and at IMS, which is why you’re persona non grata there. As for mental illness, you’re the only one here who repeatedly engages in childish name calling because you’re unable to provide credible, intelligent commentary. No clue whether that makes you mentally ill (though the commentary about your sexual conquests was certainly disturbing, if not entirely fictional), but you’re obviously not terribly bright. But even you know that.
    Editor’s Note: Your words alone are indicative of very serious mental problems. You should seriously consider some sheet time at the nearest nut hut.

    Comment by Bob Chinn — September 28, 2014 @ 10:57 pm | Reply

  173. A couple of things, there DOUGIE Boy: 1. If the idiot in charge of this dump doesn’t want any comments or feedback he can easily disable the sites ability to receive comments. 2. Dipstick of Indycar wants the attention, and if Bob, myself and a few others didn’t respond to this dreck once in awhile, there would hardly be any attention paid to his sophomoric ramblings. 3. Why do you care? Don’t read it, dope. I’ve got a pretty fine life, thanks for your concern. Responding to this moron’s rantings takes a few minutes every once in awhile; hardly an imposition there DOUGIE. And when you consider how wrong he is, and how easy it is to debunk his B.S., it REALLY doesn’t take any time out of my day.

    So, DOUGIE, follow your own advice: Get a life, and STFU

    Comment by Olderfan — September 29, 2014 @ 10:58 am | Reply

  174. Go fuckyourswlf. Troy? Is that you back there?

    Comment by spicoli — October 7, 2014 @ 1:38 pm | Reply

  175. i can’t figger out why a judge would marry such an illiterate haggard drunk.

    Comment by B.A. Rock — October 7, 2014 @ 6:50 pm | Reply


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