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December 9, 2008

Date Check: December, 2008. Not 1995.

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 1:38 pm

I was having a discussion with a fellow racing fan over a beer last night and it got a bit contentious. The subject of Honda dropping its Formula 1 program but staying put in the Indy Car Series came up. My friend is one of those people who is shocked by that decision. I asked why he would be shocked. After all Honda was not making any money or significant inroads in Formula 1, but they are making money in Indy Car. Such a decision seems easy for a smart company like Honda and for the European manufacturers likely to follow.


He predictably let his myopic prejudice surface, and Tony George’s recent completely unrelated flippant comment about Indy Racing without Indy not making money came up. I asked how long he would flog that non-issue and what it has to do with Honda dropping Formula 1. ‘What if there is no 2013? Why would a smart engine manufacturer invest in a company unlikely to be around in a few years?’ I was nice about it, but asked in so many words how he could possibly be so stupid. Does he really think the Indianapolis 500 is doomed? Uh, no. Even if the IRL followed cart and champcar into oblivion (within the realm of possibility considering the degree to which today’s IRL follows the cart/champcar idiotic failed business models) does he think there will not be Indy Car racing in some form?  Uh, no.


Then, just as predictably, he lamented how as he ‘grew up’ the Indianapolis 500 was his most memorable event of the year. ‘What is it now?’ I asked. He could not answer other than the boilerplate ‘shell of its former self’ nonsense epithet hurling. He still goes, but admitted there is nothing really better. ‘Butbutbutbut Tony George is an idiot and what he did to open wheel racing is unforgivable.’ I suggested my friend simply grow up and work in positive ways for the betterment of the sport. Tony George may well be an idiot and there are plenty of stories about his ‘aw shucks’ management style. In the grand scheme does it really matter? Why continue blaming a convenient target for the shortcomings of two versions of a series that bankrupted themselves? IMS is as magnificent a showplace as it ever has been, and that is no accident.


Typical cart Fan Perma-Stuck in 1995

I think he got angry. ‘I have owned German cars for years. If any one of them join the IRL they will be ignored like I do with Honda.’  All I suggested was that he join me in 2008 and leave 1995 where it belongs in history and that such a stance makes him look utterly foolish. Then he suggested in a crude way that I orally ingest bodily fluids from Tony George. ‘No, really. Grow up.’


I even bought the round. It appears my crusade to educate people who claim to ‘get’ Indy but in reality are very far from that level of understanding will continue. Unfortunately.


  1. Pathetic. Really. He sounds like a shallow idiot. Good on you for trying and for buying. I was a CART/OWRS fanatic since 1983, and bought CART stock at IPO, but today I live in the present, as does Roger Penske, Chip Ganassi, Michael Andretti, et al.

    Comment by Brian — December 9, 2008 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  2. I’m no great of Tony George and the split and his long forgotten “cheap and American and lots of oval” version of the IRL.

    However, I’m a huge fan and supporter of the Indy 500. It’s part of my life back to Roger Ward and Eddie Sachs. I think George has it headed it the right direction and I think it will just get better. Even after 2013…

    But, man–people love to whine about it.

    Comment by frank — December 9, 2008 @ 3:45 pm | Reply

  3. sorry. meant to say “no great fan of TG,” and that he has the “ICS” headed in the right direction. I shouldn’t write before I’m awake.

    Comment by frank — December 9, 2008 @ 3:47 pm | Reply

  4. Pretty sad you have to invent a scenerio with a fake person these days.

    Editor’s note: Troy, seriously…try to contribute like an adult. In the meantime you really should seek professional help.

    Comment by TroyM — December 10, 2008 @ 5:44 am | Reply

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