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April 30, 2009

Cleveland Rocks?

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:51 am

Our always sportsmanlike curmudgeon and oft-fired Robin Miller is now cheerleading a cacophony of hysterical bleating over a rumor the Indy Car Series would return to Cleveland and re-configure the airport runways and taxiways at Burke once used as a temporary circuit for the now non-existent cart and champcar experiments into a big flat oval for the Indy Cars.

burke_lake_front_airportPersonally, and speaking as an oval fan, it would certainly be the most unique oval configuration in the series and extremely fun to watch. The temporary circuit they had was the best of that variety as well. Either configuration would provide excitement, but the idea of a big flat oval with few or no walls is very intriguing. The cart-centric squealers will shriek like two-year-olds throwing a floor fit at Wal-Mart but that characterizes the normal pointless bad behavior we have come to expect from that disingenuous bunch.

The bigger issue to me is memory of the treatment the Indy Car Series received the last time this possibility came up. As far as I am concerned the Cleveland folks doing the soliciting should be told to jump into Lake Erie for a few more years. The idiot cart apologists still among the most vociferous ‘I Hate Tony’ whiners have done their very best to sabotage that relationship before it gets ramped up again. On the other hand, why deprive Cleveland racing fans?

Personally, a race; ANY kind of race, in Cleveland would be much better than a race in Brazil or China. I do realize that Brazil will probably receive an event as part of their fuel deal, and China may be willing to fork over several more million than normal.

Words of advice for Indy Car: Do not allow cart apologists stuck in 1995 to screw up any Cleveland plans you might have. Those idiots are a minority, and with the right promotion Cleveland could be a really nice new event.



  1. Wow, for someone who whines about people bringing up CART and 1995, there was an awful lot of that in this blog entry.
    Editor’s note: Please allow me to slow it down in a futile attempt to pander to that fringe crowd: Cleveland equaled cart. No discussion of Cleveland can realisically occur without the hysterical yammering of a handful of idiots not yet evolved beyond 1995. Is that grounded in reality clearly enough for you kids?

    Comment by TroyM — April 30, 2009 @ 3:24 pm | Reply

  2. Any venue that can be gained that is not under the control of ISC is a plus. Cleveland would be a good venue as I think that city is hungry for a race. But I too remember the disparaging remarks made when it looked like the IRL was going to race there, then CART came back to the table and settled up. Despite all the barbaric comments towards him, Tony George has been gracious, and he’ll forget the past and move forward with a race in Cleveland, if it’s in the cards.

    I think having more than enough entries for the next running of the Indy 500 at this early point has caused Robin Miller to take a whisper in his ear and make it in to something else to stir up. If his rumor sounds tailor made to get people arguing, saying the IRL will turn Burke Airport into an oval, it is probably because it was made to order to create a new medium for friction.

    In regards to races in Brazil and China, I took interest in comments made by Brian Barnhart in his press dog interview. He mentioned that the facts of what is going on and what we gather as fans via the press and web are not in sync. With the economy very global and becoming more so, and if the money is right, adding these races might fit in lock step with Terry Angstadt’s negotiations with potential sponsors. It seems silly because Champ Car tried it. However, they were just trying to fill in dates. I am thinking that the IRL are doing this in a more methodical approach, one which will strengthen the series. That is my hope.

    Comment by Mike Miller — April 30, 2009 @ 4:07 pm | Reply

  3. As a resident of the Cleveland area, you have to be completely out of your mind to think that an oval configuration would sit well with the fans here, not to mention the tax payers and the FAA. We love our racing and we don’t want anyone to mess with the circuit which has provided some of the best racing in AOWR. So if an oval configuration is the only way the series will come to Cleveland, then I’ll have to say thanks, but no thanks.
    Editors note: Without giving it any sort of chance? Would you have some of the same feelings if they kept it like it was only under the Indy Car banner, or would that matter?

    Comment by Brandon — April 30, 2009 @ 9:48 pm | Reply

    • I’d love to see the IndyCar Series race at Cleveland, but it HAS to be on the current layout. I’m actually more of an IndyCar fan but would go to races champcar races in Cleveland because it was so close. There is no sense in messing with a good thing, as someone else pointed out on one of the IndyCar forums it would be like running the 500 on the road course at the speedway and not on the oval, it just doesn’t make much sense.

      Comment by Brandon — May 1, 2009 @ 1:38 am | Reply

  4. Is that you Tony George?

    Comment by Monkey — May 1, 2009 @ 2:10 am | Reply

  5. Hey Defender,

    How are those .17 ratings working out for the IRL?

    You keep talking about the failures of CART but the way the IRL is going it is going to end up dead (just like CART).

    You always act like the IRL Won and that somehow the IRL has been a big success but it only survived. Nobody won and the fans lost more than anybody.

    Cleveland has proven time and time again over the years to produce exciting racing, so why mess with it?

    Cleveland is one of the few street/road courses that is not a single file parade so why on earth would anyone mess with a good thing that worked.

    You like to throw insults at CART fans but just remember before 2000 CART never had races drawing a .17 rating

    You can make fun of CART all you want but the fact is CART and even the IRL during the 90’s were both more succesful than the current Indycar Series.
    Editor’s note: It is 2009. Not 1995. Wake up.

    Comment by Erik — May 4, 2009 @ 12:35 am | Reply

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