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August 6, 2010

Indy Car and NASCAR on the Curly Courses! Enjoy the Weekend…

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:19 am

Road racing snobs are preparing to have a field day this weekend. The Indy Cars run at Mid-Ohio and the Cup cars head north to Watkins Glen. The motorized  version of soccer in North America is becoming the primary form of Indy Car as it was toward the end of the life of cart, but NASCAR still treats its couple of annual events mostly as novelties.

I really have to re-ask some serious questions (admittedly digressing). Is there anyone out there who is genuinely stupid enough to believe NASCAR would give up its Indy weekend for a race in Kentucky? Or that Indy Car loses $2.9 million dollars per race outside the 500? I am rarely surprised anymore by the stunning gullibility of some.

But hey….the weekend is upon us! Whatever your racing preference, it’s time to enjoy it!



  1. I don’t think Nascar would give up the Brickyard 400 for a Kentucky race. But I think there is going to be a Kentucky race. Probably one leading into the Brickyard 400. Kentucky is a superb facility which last year had one of the best Indy Car races we have seen in a while. The Nationwide race there is always good.

    It’s coming Defender…..

    Yes, it’s a non-racing weekend for me as I devoutly ignore road races by Indy Car or Nascar. The motorized version of soccer? I could not have said it better!

    Comment by Bob F. — August 6, 2010 @ 1:06 pm | Reply

  2. I’m cool with road courses, so as long as road & street courses only make up half the schedule, I think it makes Indycar unique in the world of motorsports. Not to mention challenging for the drivers.

    My complaint about the street and road courses is that the courses themselves are poorly laid out for Indycars. Make the courses racier.

    I think the Nascar roadies are two of the most fun N-car races of the year.

    I can’t imagine that Indycar’s finances are as bad as some folks speculate. I think TG might have overspent and that’s what led to his demise. I would like to get a peek at the books and see exactly what the 500, the Brickyard and the IIRS costs and brings in return. It would be interesting.

    Comment by redd — August 6, 2010 @ 2:32 pm | Reply

  3. Does anyone care to predict the TV rating on Versus for IndyCar at Mid-Ohio this Sunday?
    Foreign drivers, driving foreign built cars, engaging in foreign style racing.

    Does anyone care to predict the TV rating on Speed for the WOO at Eldora this Saturday?
    American drivers, driving American built cars engaging in American style racing.

    I don’t know the answer, but I think it will be interesting

    Comment by Chris Lukens — August 6, 2010 @ 6:25 pm | Reply

  4. Redd, I don’t know how much the events at IMS bring in, but did you SEE how many empty seats there were at the Brickyard 400? It really gave me a turn, and I’m surprised that ESPN, ever image-conscious, and not wanting to anger NASCAR, had the courage to show all those stands with so few people in them. Maybe the finaces ARE as bad as people speculate.

    Comment by DOUG — August 6, 2010 @ 6:51 pm | Reply

    • I did notice and I know Nascar is concerned and that they think IMS needs to do a better job promoting the Brickyard. On the other hand, even with the sparser crowd the Brickyard is still the biggest race–attendance-wise–in Nascar.

      Comment by redd — August 8, 2010 @ 2:45 pm | Reply

  5. “Does anyone care to predict the TV rating on Speed for the WOO at Eldora this Saturday?
    American drivers, driving American built cars engaging in American style racing.”

    I say the IICS pulls a .4 and Eldora pulls .3.

    It all depends on what kind of racing you would like to watch. I love the ovals, but the challenges of a road race are interesting. I’ll watch both but my priority will be IndyCars.

    What’s the point of patriotism, if that’s where you’re going, if American drivers are not compeating against drivers from other countries? I can get that in the IISC and Ryan Hunter Ray could win. Not that it matters that much to me but I don’t see the appeal of “Americans only”. Now if an American beats talent from around the world, that’s special.

    Comment by M. Miller — August 6, 2010 @ 7:01 pm | Reply

    • “Now if an American beats talent from around the world, that’s special.”

      Thats what the IRL needs to encourage. The ALMS does this perfectly in the GT class where you have Chevrolet Corvettes taking on BMWs, Porsches and Ferraris (soon the USA side could have a competitve Ford GT as well when Robertson Racing add a second car with pro drivers)

      Nascar has got the all-American all-oval market cornered, so Indycar needs to do something different. Bernard is on the right train of thought with aiming for 50/50 between the ovals and non-ovals.

      Comment by hates crappies hates gomers — August 8, 2010 @ 9:24 pm | Reply

  6. M. Miller, thanks for stepping up. I really wasn’t expecting actual numbers, it was more of a rhetorical question.

    Yes, this series needs more American drivers. Something even Randy B. recognizes. I’m not saying that the only place to look is in the Sprint Cars, Silver Crowns. There are plenty of talented American Road Racers out there that can’t get a sniff from the current crop of owners.

    It’s not about ALL American drivers, it’s about MOSTLY ALL American drivers. If you watched the WOO show, you saw that it was almost won by a Australian. And I can guarantee that if Kerry Madsen had won, the cheers from the fans would have been loud. They know he didn’t buy his seat. They know his primary destination is not F1. They know he loves and is good at oval racing (47 wins). They know that he came to their home town and track to race in front of them. And they follow him.

    This not a shot at our Australian, Scott Dixon (maybe at Francesco Dracone, but not Scott). Dixon has too many wins on his resume to be considered anything other than a real racer. But the point is when Scott Dixon came to Indycars, nobody knew who he was. If Kerry Madsen would move to Indycar tomorrow, he would bring a boatload of new fans; something this series needs desperately.

    Comment by Chris Lukens — August 8, 2010 @ 3:01 am | Reply

  7. Snobs?? I was at Paul Sawyers Virginia Motor Speedway last night, ( A roundy round dirt track), My job has me criss crossing the state, from asphalt to dirt every saturday. I was really looking forward to catnapping and watching the road courses today. The only race I saw was at Watkins Glen. That other thingy was an engineering demonstration. Same crap, different day, different year. The only story worth a note was that Danicar got zero air time and Simona is the new golden girl with real talent kicking ass with an older heavier car on an underbudget team. Hunter-Reay was impressive moving back to the front with a bent rear suspension. Too bad Versus missed all those passes he made getting there. Otherwise it was Lock-step, or is it the 2010 catch phrase, holding station? Do they ‘hold station’ out of fear of Barnyard’s iron fisted approach to what racing should be? Take a lesson from NASCAR, just let the racers race, but first they need racecars to do it with, not these pathetic, underpowered, worn out heaps of crap. 2012 is a long, long way away.
    A side note, Dixon is not an Australian, he is a New Zealander.

    Comment by ATB73 — August 9, 2010 @ 12:20 am | Reply

    • There was another race at Mid-Ohio apart from the ALMS this weekend?

      Comment by hates crappies hates gomers — August 9, 2010 @ 7:37 am | Reply

  8. Hey ATB73, I’d love to see you drive one of those ‘pathetic, underpowered, worn out heaps of crap,’ just once. Let’s see you and about 26 other internet experts compete on your choice of oval or road course for 200 miles.

    Comment by Some Guy — August 9, 2010 @ 2:22 am | Reply

    • Sorry Pal, my driving days are long behind me. I’m 37 and retired, and sick of the same old bull. Its just sad that the tin tops put on a better roadrace than the open wheelers did. “Montoya and Ambrose, two of the worlds finest road racers” yikes, this is how far motorsport as a whole has degraded. That ESPN dialogue was soo eerily reminiscent of the epic battle Fittipaldi and Mansell had at Cleveland in ’93, ‘ol Bobby Unser in the booth, ” of course they trust each other Sam, they are two of the worlds finest drivers.” both world champions, mind you. Holy Shitte, imagine that ” they are passing each other 2 or 3 times a lap” wheel to wheel thru the corners, no blocking, leaving each other room. But they had 850- 1000 turbo charged horses to play with. In case you weren’t born yet, some guy, that was when men were men and the sheep were scared and just a tick before George dragged it all down to FUBAR status.

      At last check, there were 56,738 internet experts and 12,425 douche bag internet trolls like yourself bringing the IndyCar total fanbase up to a whopping 69,163 worldwide total. Without the internet there would be a zero.

      Editor’s Note: We all liked watching the good drivers who are long since retired. You are quite a bit younger than Some Guy and myself. We’re both in our mid-50s and have seen the sport evolve from front engine roadsters to now with our own eyes. We enjoyed the cart years as much as the next guy…we just did not plant a flag there and decree it the be all and end all, then waste breath and maturity slamming Tony George. Life is way too short for that kind of pointless foolishness. One benefit of our years is all of the the evolution. Why not just enjoy it and work in positive ways to affect the future?

      Comment by ATB73 ( another nobody) — August 10, 2010 @ 12:11 am | Reply

  9. Thanks for the reality check editor, my harsh language was childish and uncalled for. my own words pegged me amongst the 12,425 d-bags. lol!! I just took some guys remark as an anonymous quip from cyber space that is very common in internet forums. and for that I extend an apology to Some Guy, who witnessed the golden years, from the roadsters to the rise and fall of CART, to the present day. I am envious of that and lack the complete perspective necessary to understand the troubles that CART had that brought about it’s demise.
    It had somthing to do with team owners calling the shots, pop off valves and waste gates. beyond that, I dunno.

    Again, my apologies to Editor , Some Guy, and your contributors. It won’t happen again.

    Comment by ATB73 ( another nobody) — August 11, 2010 @ 2:16 am | Reply

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