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August 23, 2010

Indy Car Fans: Grab A Tube of KY and Prepare to Assume a Bent Over Position

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 7:58 pm

The good news for the next few weeks is that the IZOD Indy Car series finishes the season with four straight ovals. If scuttlebutt is accurate however, prepare to kiss ovals at Chicagoland, Kansas and Homestead goodbye. Chicagoland would hurt the most because that track has provided some of the most consistently entertaining Indy Car races and closest finishes of all time. It happens almost every year.

The IRL helped build that track. I can sort of understand Homestead. It is now an ISC track in an area of Florida where most people just do not go. Management of the facilities south of Miami and in Kansas are usually in lockstep with whatever their corporate ‘parent’ wishes. NASCAR/ISC tends to treat the IZOD Indy Car series, at worst, like a sexually transmitted disease. At best, they treat Indy Car as some sort of competitive threat—the ‘enemy.’

Fans getting screwed is probably something we should be used to by now. ISC tracks that have held Indy Car races that I attended every single year and always with someone else that have been pissed away include:



-Pikes Peak


-Kansas (Prediction: That track is a goner too).


The one thing these tracks have in common is ISC, but holding races at their tracks is a two-way street. Both entities need to listen to those who pay many of the bills. Without fans there is no sport. I understand the difficult of running on two-Cup-date tracks. Losing Chicagoland, however, would be well beyond normal stupidity; an absolute insult to annual attendees. It is the third largest market in the country. My group can say with certainty that NASCAR does not ever receive even one penny of our money at any of their cancelled Indy Car tracks.

Suggestion for Indy Car management and ISC: Find a way to keep both Chicagoland and Kansas. Get it done.



  1. Look, Defender, we all know that the ISC has treated us IRL fans and the Indy Car series like red headed stepchildren but perhaps now is the time for Ropin’ Randy to tell the France family that we don’t need any more resistance to the re-building of our sport, we have enough problems with two team domination, an old and tired engine/chassis combo and too many unqualified ride buyers…although I will miss having a race down here in Miami, the pathetic attendance and moronic scheduling of the IRL race during the height of hurricane season have doomed my home race. As for Chicago, yes, the racing has been wheel to wheel and we were all on our feet for the finale in 2007 when Dixon ran out of gas and Dario rolled to boht the race victory and season championship…but I will never forget the fascist policies at the track…no tickets available for sale (seats only sold to NASCAR subscribers) and no ‘reselling’ permitted on track…if not for the generousity of some locals who had extras, I would have had to listen to the race on the radio…also, no outside food or drink allowed inside…WTF, this is an auto race, not the movies…unless and until the track changes these policies, I say good riddance…Burton Smith and Eddie Gossage know how to treat us IRL fans as demonstated at June’s Texas race and I say let us align ourselves with these tracks…open up in Vegas in February/March and close with a second Texas race before football season and include stops at the rest of Mr. Smith’s venues in Atlanta, Charoltte and Loudon (already set for next year).

    Comment by Neil Rubin — August 23, 2010 @ 8:12 pm | Reply

  2. I understand what you are saying, and to a great extent agree with you.

    However, there has to be a willingness on both sides to compromise, and from an outsider’s perspective, it seems that ISC isn’t willing to work with IndyCar. Not a fact, but that’s how it comes across to me.

    Homestead and Kansas, to me, aren’t particularly big losses. However, losing Chicagoland-not because it’s an oval but because Chicago is the third-largest television market in the U.S.-and Watkins Glen in my eyes would be. We wil just have to see how things work out.

    Comment by Thesmartestguyintheroom — August 24, 2010 @ 12:58 am | Reply

  3. Nah, these cookie cutter ovals we can do without. Go back to real Indycar ovals like Milwaukee and phoenix.

    Comment by Bill B. — August 24, 2010 @ 5:31 pm | Reply

  4. FYI (per wikipedia): “International Speedway Corporation (ISC) is a corporation whose primary business is the ownership and management of NASCAR race tracks. ISC was founded by NASCAR founder Bill France, Sr. in 1953”.
    Why can’t people get through their heads that ISC is basically a wholly controlled subsidiary of NASCAR. It’s owned by the France family. It’s RUN by the France family. Their primary business is NASCAR; look at their past track record as to how they’ve treated IndyCar series and then see if you can honestly say they give a rats a** about IndyCar, or its fans.

    Defender, I think they do listen to the people who pay their bills; and in their eyes those people will always be those who come out to watch the taxicabs race. It’s why we’re losing dates at ISC tracks. It’s why when dates need to be moved its the tintops that get first choice, and we get the leftovers. I commend you and your group for not spending another dime at the ISC tracks that cancel races. Personally, based on their past behavior, I don’t think they’ll give a crap what Open Wheel Fans do.

    ISC has done a shabby job of promoting open wheel racing at their tracks. They’ve done a shabby job of running the races at their tracks as compared to the effort they put in when operating a NASCAR race. They’ve shown us again and again that all they want to do is stick their hands in our pockets and leech as much $$$ as they can, but really they don’t care about us as fans.

    So what should we do? I say we dump ISC. ALL of them. Who would miss Homestead? Show of hands. Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bruton Smith and SMI have shown a willingness to work with IndyCar and actually promote our events. Why aren’t we at Las Vegas? Rather than split Texas into two events, why not talk to Eddie Gossage about having a second race at Texas? While we’re at it, lets look at taking the ICS to some of the independent tracks who have been shunned by NASCAR. Iowa has been a success; why not look at going to another short oval like The Rock? Why put up with ISC crap at The Glen when Road America is out there? What about going back to Pikes Peak, or Gateway, or Milwaukee? Why not find out what it’d cost to get back in at Pocono?

    And come to think of it, as long as NASCAR/ISC seems intent to treat us as the red-headed stepchild at every turn, why is IMS bending over and kowtowing at the Brickyard 400? It’s arguably the cabs 2nd biggest race right now, both in terms of prestige and purse. In the light of how NASCAR has trated IndyCar, why aren’t we playing a little hardball with our biggest chip? I can’t see why; unless there is some truth to the wailings of the doomsayers that say without the cash the tintops bring in that the series and IMS are doomed.

    You can’t look at NASCAR, ISC, and ISC track management as separate entities. It’s NASCAR. Plain and simple. And the day NASCAR actively promotes an open wheel race, or truly wants an open wheel race to succeed is the day hell freezes over. And until we stop expecting International Speedway Corporation to act in anything other than the best interests of the National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing, we deserve to continue getting screwed the way we are.

    Comment by Steven Kornya — August 24, 2010 @ 8:44 pm | Reply

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