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August 27, 2010

Are You Prepared for Another IRL Indy Car Legacy Venue To Die Needlessly and Without Regard for Fans?

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 10:41 am

It is literally beyond belief that either Indy Car or ISC would let the traditionally most competitive oval race on the Indy Car schedule year after year fade into oblivion. That, however, appears to be precisely what will happen following the IZOD Indy Car event this Saturday night.

No one has said anything official. No one has said much of anything. We already know a rescheduled NASCAR Cup race next season precludes having an Indy Car race on this equivalent weekend next year. It is pretty much the same story at another neglected ISC oval outside Kansas City.

Oval fans can take comfort in a strengthening relationship with Bruton Smith’s SMI, but when a real racing fan decides which races to attend the ownership of the track does not really matter, particularly when the track offers spectacular racing. Randy Bernard has publicly stated his goal of a 50/50 mix of ovals and non-ovals going forward. The return of Loudon is nice. Closing the season in Las Vegas would also be nice. A street parade in Baltimore features the exact same empty hot air hype as all the rest, most of which have failed miserably.

That is not the issue. The issue involves oval tracks that just vanish after a degree of apathy and neglect by Indy Car brass that seems to increase every year. My group attended and spent money every year at each of the following Indy Car-defunct oval tracks while they were around:


-Pikes Peak







We were occasional attendees at Phoenix and Las Vegas as well. When the Indy Car schedule for 2011 is announced, do not be surprised to see Kansas and Chicagoland on the former venue list. Most of the excuses these tracks are not around are mostly without merit and often stupid, and clearly demonstrates the ignoring of fans completely.  Dropping the traditionally most competitive oval race in the third largest media market in the country and within driving distance of the home of the sport goes well beyond the traditional kind of stupidity that removes oval races.

My advice for anyone within reasonable distance of Joliet is to attend. Let’s at least send it out in style. It should be a party regardless of the uninspired management of it and despite the almost certainty of the latest screwing devoted fans will again endure. I sincerely hope I have to say I’m wrong after the race is renewed, but chances are I won’t.


  1. To Indycar Series folks, I’m not the one killing the sport. I’m attending these events you keep taking away. I live in the midwest and attend(ed) every single one of the venues. One by one you have taken them away. You are slowly killing your fan base. Get a grip and fix it. NASCAR isn’t on your side because they along with the rest of the world knows their on track product is vastly inferior to Indycar. Thank you, NOT.

    Comment by Pissed off — August 27, 2010 @ 11:19 am | Reply

    • What can you do when ISC jacks up the schedule with two cup dates and crowds the IndyCar series out? There’s a bit of a cold war here.

      Pissed off, Helton was thrilled when Dario ran his dallara at New Hampshire. NOT

      Comment by Mike M — August 27, 2010 @ 1:04 pm | Reply

  2. Strange that the common denominator amongst tracks that are getting cut this year is ISC. Is it even Indycar doing this to the fans?

    Comment by The American Mutt — August 27, 2010 @ 12:59 pm | Reply

  3. If Chicago won’t schedule Indycar because they don’t make Chicago any money, how is that Indycar’s fault? Or Chicago’s for that matter? It’s the same for Richmond–they kicked Indycar out also, I think because they lost a race sponsor and therefore couldn’t afford Indycar. Nascar bought Pike’s Peak and dismantled it, so it’d be tough to blame Indycar for that one. Milwaukee was lost due to gross mismanagement from multiple promoters–they lost Nascar also. Not Indycar’s fault. Gateway is apparently falling apart and is not located in a fan friendly location. Michigan doesn’t want Indycar or I’m sure they’d have them and the Fontana race was severely underpopulated because no one in Fontana cares about Indycar–they don’t even like Nascar all that much. So we can maybe blame Nashville on Indycar, but everyone complained about the lack of passing on the track anyway.

    Chicago, Michigan and Milwaukee were/are awesome Indycar venues. But if they don’t invite you to the party, you can’t go, can you?

    Comment by redd — August 27, 2010 @ 2:17 pm | Reply

    • excellent points, and Nashville was every bit as boring as sonoma. Last time I checked the only oval actually going after Indycar is Loudon, and it’ll now be on the schedule.

      Comment by The American Mutt — August 27, 2010 @ 11:34 pm | Reply

    • Redd, here in Colorado, we spell Pikes Peak without the apostrophe. I guess whoever came up with that thought Zebulon Pike had multiple personalities. More to the point, PPIR is still there. The track is still there. The garages are still there. The stands are still there ( albeit, much smaller ). The pressboxes are still there. The rest rooms are still there. A couple 55 gallon barrels of weed killer and we can go racing

      Comment by Chris Lukens — August 28, 2010 @ 3:37 pm | Reply

  4. An “IRL legacy” venue… did you seriously use that term about Chicago track that is barely ten years old? Don’t be such a drama queen.

    Comment by Demond Sanders — August 27, 2010 @ 10:32 pm | Reply

  5. “Are you prepared for another firl mindy car legacy venue to die needlessly and without regards for fans?” If this race had fans and was a success it wouldn’t die now would it?

    Editor’s Note: Look, I realize your lack of maturity precludes the possibility of any intelligent observation. Given than reality it is unsurprising that you completely fail to realize this race has been a success for ten years. The race being a success is not the issue. ISC politics and Indy Car’s failure to give fans something they actually want is the problem.

    Comment by Offender — August 28, 2010 @ 7:15 am | Reply

  6. After seeing the crowd at Chicago, I guess I see why they don’t want Indycar. It looks very sparse to me.

    Comment by redd — August 29, 2010 @ 12:54 am | Reply

  7. While watching the race at Chicagoland last night, I really don’t understand how NASCAR gets all the fans. I had goosebumps throughout the race (as always) while watching the in-car cameras detail the extremely close racing. If last night’s racing can’t keep fans, you might as well close the doors. Indycar racing can get no better than what we have at Chicagoland, Texas, and Kentucky. IF Chicagoland goes away, hopefully Las Vegas can give us an awesome finish to the season with the same style of racing.

    Comment by Indy_SHO — August 29, 2010 @ 3:21 pm | Reply

    • “I really don’t understand how NASCAR gets all the fans.”

      Just proclaim that all of those fans are stupid. Or just blame ISC claiming they are failing to promote the race or possibly putting rattlesnakes in the parking lot to keep people away from the IRL events because they feel threatened or they are trying to prop up their “failing” Nascar races.

      Comment by TroyM — August 30, 2010 @ 4:46 am | Reply

  8. The Chicago race was just great. The promoters should allow more pit access, so that the fans can get closer to the cars. The worst was the lack of promotion here in the Chicagoland market. Great job, teams, drivers, and nice promotion, autograph signing event at Woodfield the day before the race. Too bad you never see these drivers on network TV.

    Comment by photoshop60 — August 30, 2010 @ 7:23 am | Reply

  9. IRL or Indy…make up your minds. how about a TBA for the last 2011 race?
    all sports, even the NFL, will take a ‘hit’ in 2011. the NFL might be on strike.
    Indy/NASCAR/NFL/whatever will need to Tone It Down for 2011. survive and advance.

    Comment by john of sparta — November 18, 2010 @ 2:24 am | Reply

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