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September 15, 2010

Indy Car Critics’ Favorite Pastime: Predicting the End (And Always Looking Foolish)

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:34 pm

One of the most consistent forms of cackling by Indy Car critics are predictions about when the series will die. The latest pundit to offer a prognostication is Peter De Lorenzo on the autoextremist web page. He says 2015.

His hang-up is the same as many other Indy Car critics: They disagree with the decision made by ICONIC for a new car in 2012. De Lorenzo believes a place should be made for the Delta Wing.

The folks who designed and still intend to build the Delta Wing have also employed a PR strategy that solidly positions them as malcontented crybabies who are handling defeat with classlessness. Threats of starting a Delta Wing series abound along with implied whining that Indy Car would be ended as a result.

As a lifelong Indy Car fan I would love to see an accommodation for more innovation like the Delta Wing, even though it is butt ugly in a retro way. I personally do not want to see tricycles racing. I remember the cackling of established fans when rear engines, turbines and ground effects came along. I thought their howling was silly then and believe posturing from both sides is silly now. But at least accommodations were made for new ideas.

Those who disagree with the ICONIC decision seem to be going down the same stupidity path that killed cart and champcar, screeching all the way. Is it any wonder fans find it difficult to support the sport? The one fact everyone involved needs to grasp is that without Indy you will not make it. Period.

Speaking of Indy Car, Verizon recently signed a multi-million dollar deal in support of Indy Car, and they are apparently moving away from NASCAR. This is the latest in a series of sponsorship wins that are occurring with regularity. These deals do not portend the same sort of doom as claimed by sore losers.

There is a cart guy in charge of the new car package. Does this not present an opportunity for those who stupidly and simplistically blame their own failures, twice, on Tony George? At the end of this year a primary wish for 2011 (the Centennial Year) is that everyone interested in this great sport just grow up for once.



  1. So now it’s 2015 and not 2012?? These people are out of their minds.

    The Delta Wing will have to go through many phases to even be ready to drive, let alone race. If they ever get the funding to build the stupid thing, the thrashing phase of the chassis will uncover many problems that will potentially stall the program.

    I am all for innovation, but the Delta Wing is not a car, its a trike. A land speed salt falt design was not made to race on a closed corse.

    The series moves forward and sponsorships are growing. Eventually, what becomes of this bike, if anything, it might be allowed to race. But to think it will be safe and be race ready in 2-3 years is very wishful. If the DW was chosen, it would essentially mandate all IndyCars have three wheels. Too much too fast.

    One thing Delta freaks are missing: Fans don’t want it. It is simply too ugly. Innovation with safety in mind is evolutionary, not throwing away decades of improvements by scrapping and starting from scratch.

    Comment by M. Miller — September 15, 2010 @ 12:50 pm | Reply

  2. “I remember the cackling of established fans when rear engines, turbines and ground effects came along.”

    But it was all still open wheel. If the Deltawing comes along, “open wheel” racing is history. It will be something else, but not open wheel.

    Comment by Bob F. — September 15, 2010 @ 3:46 pm | Reply

  3. Hey–you changed to Defender of Indycar–I like that. I figured you’d stick with IRL just to make a point. And–despite the taunts of SOME disenchanted CART fans–I do think the change is a move in the right direction in terms of marketing. Another thing they should figure out–you probably won’t agree Defender–is how to combine all open-wheel records into one record book. It could still say what particular series the wins were in, but I think it’d be another move to say Indycar is open-wheel, it’s the continuation of a vast history of open-wheel racing in the U.S. and it respects all of it’s past. Then move on…

    Also. I didn’t think Delta Wing would disappear very quickly–not with Chipper behind it. I think DW was very innovative and it certainly had an influence on the new chassis program. But what I don’t get is that many of same folks who wanted multiple chassis and engines also wanted the spec series only Delta Wing. How was that supposed to work?

    Comment by redd — September 15, 2010 @ 3:58 pm | Reply

  4. I agree with you Miller, the DW won’t be ready for awhile. At least some people are willing to try something different. I mean, we’ve had the same tired formula for the past THIRTEEN years, with only some slight modification or other. Can you recall another time period that long in IndyCar history(or whatever it was in ages past)where virtually NOTHING changed, other than the personnel? I can’t, and I’m a real buff on its history. Innovation has been absent from open-wheel for so long it’s really painful.

    Comment by DOUG — September 15, 2010 @ 4:32 pm | Reply

  5. IRL is DEAD

    Editor’s Note: I always welcome all comments, even stupid, illiterate ones.

    Comment by Jonnie Walker — September 15, 2010 @ 8:40 pm | Reply

  6. In 2015, it’ll be 2018 they’re predicting as the end of IndyCar.

    Comment by Zachary — September 15, 2010 @ 8:58 pm | Reply

  7. “The IRL will never turn a wheel” – Robin Miller, 1994

    Comment by Jack Marahrens — September 16, 2010 @ 12:31 pm | Reply

  8. Dear Defender:

    If we’ve made it this far, with empty stands, poor TV ratings, ride buyers, two team domination, the rise (and apparently impending) decline of NASCAR, Brian Barnhard and his incompetence, TG and his hubris, CART bankruptcy. Champ Car on Spike TV, Dallara crapwagon and lack of technical innovation for almost a decade, Dannica, Mika, etc, etc, etc, then I am certain that we will solider on to 2012 and beyond…as long as Penske and Chip and their big time sponsors continue to underwrite their efforts, as long as Honda stays content with no competition, as long as Firestone keeps supplying quality rubber and as long as ABC continues to pay to televise the 500, American Open Wheel will muddle through and hope for the miracle that we can turn back time to 1995!!!

    Comment by Neil Rubin — September 16, 2010 @ 4:09 pm | Reply

  9. In the interest of accuracy, I’d like to give credit for “The IRL will never turn a wheel” quote to Ed Hinton.
    As much as it sounds like something RM would have said back then, I did some checking..and lo and behold it wasn’t him.
    Not that there’s much difference between him and Ed, other than after trashing pretty much everything about the IRL from it’s inception Robin’s doing everything he can to crawl up Randy’s ass so he can be considered an insider.
    Ed’s still Ed.

    Comment by Jack Marahrens — September 16, 2010 @ 7:34 pm | Reply

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