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February 18, 2011

The Indy Car ‘Split’ Is Alive And Well Thanks to Classless Fans Of a Twice Dead Adventure in Arrogance

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:45 am

I certainly wish they would get past it for a change.

Yesterday the parent company of IMS and INDYCAR, Hulman & Company, added four members to their Board of Directors. Three of the new members are highly successful leaders of blue chip organizations in a wide variety of market segments. The fourth member is Tony George, deposed leader of all things IMS and IRL.

Predictably, ignorant haters have begun slithering out of the woodwork to condemn this move and use it as an excuse to call Tony even more names and jerk their knees in infantile ways. This type of delinquent behavior is a sad commentary on a large group of crybabies that have the unmitigated gall to foolishly refer to themselves as racing fans.

Here are some prime examples harvested from Facebook commentary that are essentially clueless, mentally deficient pontifications from mostly children who lack maturity and/or sense:

Tony George Critics

Tom Ryan of California wrote ‘As long as he is only one vote out of 12 or so. But the damage has already been done……….’ Uh, what ‘damage’ is that, Tom? The 500 is preparing for its 100th anniversary. The series that occupied the grounds from ’79 to ’95 killed itself. Twice. They did that without any assistance from Tony George.

Bryon Mahler, an Ohioan who was a teenager when cart began their boycott opined ‘I wish I could be rehired to a job that I had already screwed up.’ Hmmm. Curious. The entity George founded is still turning wheels sixteen years later. The series it displaced killed itself off. Twice. Byron evidently has a whacko definition of ‘screwed up.’

Ben Robbins, a classless alcohol consuming hater, lowered the bar all the way: ‘Why? He’s a dick cheese. They should have never given that Nigga any money.’ Ben does not give his elementary school grade level. Clearly he is as ignorant as one can possibly get.

Youthful cart enthusiasts Unloading a Barrage of Stupidity for No Apparent Reason

Mike Rice, from, where else, Long Beach, at least articulated his dislike of Tony sans profanity: ‘I’m afraid of what damage he may do to a finally-recovering series that he (and his wing man Barnhart) had pretty much killed. What Tom Ryan said up there is the only way that this makes any sense – 1 vote with no more clout than any other. I’m very leery about him being in this position again. I’m all for second chances, I just remain leery because of what his vision (no pun intended) did to AOWR. cart costs and the politics of the whole thing were in fact out of control, no doubt. It just never should have been split in the first place. Hindsight being (hopefully) 20/20, I’ll hope for the best here.’ Mike, Tony is on the board of directors for Hulman & Company. I am in favor of waiting to see what happens. cart’s self immolation, twice, was the result of their own arrogant incompetence, not that of Tony. Tony started a series from nothing, and it is stronger than ever in year sixteen.

Youthful Jeremiah Davis says ‘we dont need this guy screwing up IMS or IndyCar anymore than he already did…’ Curious. Just how, precisely did he ‘screw up’ IMS or Indy Car? Another young-un by the name of Christine Beck also needlessly pushed the panic button by exclaiming ‘NNNNNOOOOOOO!!!!’ With that sort of intelligent, witty commentary how can any of these moronic critics be wrong?

Mike Hurst, road racing enthusiast, says ‘IRL cars cost more than CART at the end and IRL had fewer American drivers. No tears for Tony. He damn near killed AOWR. Thank God for the ALMS.’ Actually, in actual fact, he SAVED AOWR from itself. For proof, one need look no further than cart, which killed itself. Twice. I wish people would stop confusing cart with INDYCAR. INDYCAR has always succeeded.

Another classy Hoosier who was also a teenager when cart began their boycott is Michael Williamson, who blurted ‘And he better keep his f’ing nose out of the IndyCar series! He ruined it and Randy Bernard has done a fantastic job running it! Randy’s accomplished more in about 1 year than Tony ever did! Randy = progression, Tony = regression, period! Remember, Brian Brainfart is Tony George man!’ Brainfart? How classy. I wish these youngsters knew more about the institution they seem so ready to condemn. All of these people need to learn some respect.

Give Peace a Chance

It has been my sincere hope that as INDYCAR and everyone in it as well as most real INDYCAR fans have bent over backward to accommodate the cart-centric, those fans return such dignity in the spirit of unity they have been given, regardless of deserving or undeserving anyone may be. But no. Whenever the slightest news leaks out involving Tony George, a knee jerk frenzy of abject stupidity from these immature children rains down like an avalanche of smelly dung. Every single time.

My frustration remains not only due to the classless ignorance of such people, but their unsportsmanlike hostility. The sport should try to purge itself of these imbeciles once and for all. The ‘split’ ended years ago. It is high time cart enthusiasts still lodged in 1995 grew up for a change.



  1. What flavor Kool Aid is it?

    Editor’s Note: Sour Lemon.

    Comment by Pete V — February 18, 2011 @ 2:49 am | Reply

  2. Funny, you write a blog about people needing to move on and it appears you went fishing for any negative comments anyone made about your hero Anton to write a blog about them. Perhaps it is time you move on. All you seem to do is run around and make sure the split is told on your terms, and try and tell people how they should think.

    Editor’s Note: Troy, for the love of God, please learn how to (A) read, and (B) comprehend what you read. If you do that, you will observe commentary from a gaggle of cart-centric crybabies and me taking them to task for what you are chiding me for. Your onion skin is translucently thin. Grow up.

    Comment by TroyM — February 18, 2011 @ 3:38 am | Reply

  3. TG has apparently made nice with the sisters. So good for them, glad to see he’s got a job again. People worry about the damnest things.

    Comment by redd — February 18, 2011 @ 4:16 am | Reply

  4. He’s just back on the board of directors for Hulman. Big deal. Some of these people are not real fans, just hate spam nerds.

    Comment by mmiller — February 18, 2011 @ 2:23 pm | Reply

  5. Kind of reminds me of the song by Buffalo Springfield regarding these TG haters–“Paranoia Strikes Deep……”

    Comment by DOUG — February 18, 2011 @ 5:03 pm | Reply

  6. You certainly look at Tony and the IRL through rose colored glasses. The history of IndyCar is not as simple as you make it sound. There is a lot of revisionist history in your blog today but what else can we expect from the personally appointed diehard ‘Defender of the IRL’. I personally don’t think Tony’s appointment to the H&C board is a big deal. They watered it down and he’s not on the IMS board.

    Comment by Bill B. — February 18, 2011 @ 5:24 pm | Reply

  7. Under TG’s watch ratings, market share and sponsership dollars declined. Those are facts that can’t be disputed. Having said all of that, I don’t think people should read too much into him coming back on the board. It appears to be nothing more then the family patching up their relationship. He had his chance, I don’t see him getting another one.

    Editor’s Note: Under the watch of many supposedly smarter than Tony, bankruptcy occurred. Twice. I’m confident in Tony’s ability as a board member.

    Comment by Matt — February 19, 2011 @ 10:37 pm | Reply

    • At no point did I say cart was run better. I didn’t even mention cart or the split. The results of that series also speak for themselves. My point was only that as a cheif executive, he was lacking in ability to execute. As far a being a good board member, only time will tell.

      Comment by Matt — February 20, 2011 @ 4:48 pm | Reply

    • Not to beat a dead horse but I do want your honest opinion. First a disclaimer, I am not a cart fan stuck in the 90’s and I don’t think this a power play by TG.

      Let’s assume the the ” sky is falling ” group is right for once. If this is a power play by TG, can we agree that this would be bad for the sport and this is the last thing indycar needs right now? Randy seems to get it and deserves a shot. What are your thoughts?

      Editor’s Note: Randy and his team are doing the best job of running the sport than any group in the past 30 years. He deserves the right to keep it going. I remain optimistic he will be allowed to do so. It would not surprise me if he didn’t because for the entire 100 years of the sport teh stupid approach gets taken a lot more than the logical one.

      Comment by Matt — February 24, 2011 @ 12:42 am | Reply

  8. Your hero anton will get voted off the board in a matter of months. Therefore he will have been voted of the board threen times.

    Editor’s Note: ‘Hero?’ LOL. How many is ‘threen?’

    Comment by TroyM — February 20, 2011 @ 2:24 am | Reply

  9. I see bootlicker Troy remains firmly attached to the Disciple teat.

    Comment by The Truth — February 20, 2011 @ 6:21 pm | Reply

  10. The split is also alive and well due to the likes of you Defender.

    If you really want the split to fade as a memory stop writing about it and reminding people of it.

    If you want to put out a fire, take away the oxygen supply.

    Comment by hates crappies hates gomers — February 21, 2011 @ 6:36 pm | Reply

  11. Thanks for putting some of the trolls to rest, as much as can be done. Tony George may not be the promotional expert that Randy Bernard is, but it occurs to me that sooner or later MOST of the viable racing teams came back to the IRL, anyway. Why? Simply because the other series never had the Indianapolis 500.

    And while we’re on the subject of the Indianapolis 500, let’s consider what the “infamous Anton” has done with the Speedway during his tenure. Not only did he follow his grandfather’s legacy in continuously improving the physical plant, turned “carb Day” into an EVENT, made the racing safer with the SAFER BARRIERS (not a NASCAR invention, much as Mr. Boogity B oogity Boogity would like you to believe. and he made the Speedway available to both NASCAR and F-1.

    As far as “the league” is concerned, I’ll start by saying only this: At least there are no contrived green/white/checker finishes, “lucky dogs,” or “make ’em up as you go rules.” You can indict Brian Barnhart for whatever you choose, but at least the rules under which you qualified the car lasted through the race itself, unlike NASCAR, whach had two sets of rule changes after pole qualifying for the Daytona 500, its signature event.

    Comment by SkipinSC — February 21, 2011 @ 8:08 pm | Reply

  12. I like how you hate on the haters. CART/ChampCar fans lost the war, IRL fans won the war. You might say they are poor losers and need to get over it but you seem to be an even more poor winner who also needs to get over it.

    Editor’s Note: I got over it the day after the first IRL race at Disney World. One of my missions as a fan who loves the sport is to rid it of thin-skinned crybabies who have spent the past sixteen years nailing themselves to crosses in protest of problems they caused themselves.

    Comment by Gary — February 23, 2011 @ 12:55 am | Reply

    • I can understand your animosity towards the owners who perpetrated the boycott/split. You remained a fan of the 500 and the series that Tony George founded around that; you opposed the owners who, in your eyes, tried to wreck the heritage and history surrounding that race. You saw what they were doing as destroying the sport. Fine. Hate the owners. Call them crybabies and whiners. Whatever.

      Just one question. You say ‘One of my missions as a fan who loves the sport is to rid it of thin-skinned crybabies who have spent the past sixteen years nailing themselves to crosses in protest of problems they caused themselves.’

      Funny, when you break out your ‘crybaby’ line, I never see it directed at Roger Penske. Or Barry Green. Or Chip Ganassi. Or Carl Haas. Or the late Paul Newman or Tony Bettenhausen. Or any of the other owners who were responsible for the split, at least from the CART side. You seem to reserve that for fans of the (as you refer to it) ‘the series that killed itself…twIce’.

      Just wondering. How exactly did FANS of the PPG CART IndyCar World Series cause the problems that caused the split?

      Editor’s Note: They didn’t directly. They are merely mostly ignorant sycophants with loud yaps. I do have some lingering hostility for all those owners you mentioned, but have forgiven most now that the ones who are still living got smart. You forgot to mention many employees of the owners who are still trying to fight the battle, and a lot of members of the racing press, many of whom were employed by the now defunct organizations. It is difficult to place all of the blame for scorched earth on any one group. Right now my simple wish is that everyone would commit toward making the sport better now that it has evolved beyond anything it used to be.

      Comment by Steve Kornya — February 25, 2011 @ 3:57 am | Reply

  13. Wow, you complain about thin skinned cry babies while acting like a thin skinned cry baby. Yes, CART helped its own demise, but before the lead CART teams left there is no doubt about CART having better drivers and equipment. The draw of the 500 was what brought better teams back because sponsors needed that. I am a fan of open wheel racing no matter what, but you cannot say the IRL was at CARTs level pre 2002.
    Editor’s Note: It’s 2012. Who cares? Indy Car will never match their arrogance either. My suggestion: Why don’t all cart apologists stop acting like salafists once and for all, get past their egos and join the rest of civilization in the current century?

    Comment by joe — January 10, 2012 @ 8:23 am | Reply

    • All you seem to do is live in the past. How can you call out other people for doing the exact things that you seem obsessed with doing? The hypocrisy in your posts is just amazing. Anytime someone brings up something about the past, you go off on them for talking about the past and then go on to lecture everyone about the past yourself. Start taking your own advice.
      Editor’s Note: Here are two things you should try to learn how to do:

      1. Have some sort of point and make it relevant.
      2. Learn how to comprehend what you think you read before spouting off.


      Comment by Joe Blow — January 12, 2012 @ 5:47 am | Reply

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