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November 1, 2011

Attacking The Anti-Indy Car Message And The Whackos Who Pinch Them Out

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:07 am

Gordon Kirby and Michael Knight are two Internet writers who had careers in and around the twice-failed cart series. That experience might well be the reason they are left writing propaganda on websites. They epitomize the classless and cackling den of second guessing howlers who remain stuck in a previous decade/century with no apparent plans to vacate.

Knight unleashed a piece that immediately trotted out the type of arrogant smarminess for which that breed is known.

-He takes ‘chatroomers’ to task, implying they are some type of low life. If that is true why worry about them?

-He stereotypes the ‘born and raised in Indiana’ folk who believe the racing universe revolves around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

-He then positions himself as some sort of analytical savior.

Say what? Uh, Michael, racing in the United States has revolved around the Indianapolis Motor Speedway for one hundred years. Those who fight that fact not only look stupid, but fail. Twice. I know NASCAR is popular, but there would be no NASCAR without IMS.

He, through some unnamed person, chides Randy Bernard as someone who has never had to sit down with the family of a driver who has been killed in a race. That is a correct, if misleading, statement. He has had to sit down with the families of bull riders killed in that sport. He spearheaded safety efforts the entire time he was CEO there.

Michael Knight

Knight second guesses the ‘big event’ promotional efforts Bernard implemented for Las Vegas, including:

-Leasing Las Vegas Motor Speedway

-‘Ignoring’ Dario Franchitti’s reference to it as ‘unsuitable.’

-The $5 million prize

-Calling Bernard’s supposed invitation of Alex Zanardi to participate ‘irresponsible and exploitive.’

-Allowing 34 cars to participate with Wheldon in the back.

-Comparing the five lap tribute after Wheldon’s death to a ‘Roman Coliseum spectacle.’

-Whining about two-wide restarts, even though they had nothing to do with Wheldon’s death and were mostly successful all through the season.

Following this agenda-riddled crucifixion of Bernard, he called his Randy’s employment position ‘untenable.’ He then, oddly, takes the PR folks at IMS to task because they do not meet his definition; i.e., the way cart would have handled it, of crisis management. He believes their relative silence reflects a lack of caring.

Finally, he calls for the Hulman-George family to sell the speedway because he views them as unfit as well.

And people call ME crazy in the comment sections of this blog? LOL. I guess it is easy for an Internet pundit without meaningful employment seated on his pompous ass in Arizona to second guess things he clearly does not understand or accept. Perhaps his vast resource gathering skills should be devoted to examining how the Hulman-George family has handled situations like that of Wheldon through the years quietly, behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Perhaps Knight should talk to people with the ability to think independently, or at least families of the deceased. But by all means he should speak with people grounded in the year 2011.

Then, there is Gordon Kirby. His latest bitter missive:

-Chides ‘pack racing.’

Gordon Kirby

-Condemns the new Dallara before it even turns a wheel in competition, second guessing it with someone whose design was rejected. Bruce Ashmore, for all his talent, also comes off looking like a bitter child.

-Propagandizing the glory he felt was cart, complete with high horsepower, braking, and racing in a line instead of in occasional packs.

-Actually mentions things cart did a dozen times.

These continue doing a tremendous disservice to the sport. We all know cart died ignominiously by its own hand, twice. No amount of hand wringing, cheerleading, threatening, bitching, or preaching is ever going to change that or bring it back. It does not matter how such bitter malcontents feel.

I do have to give these flag wavers credit. They are generally more insane and persistent than even the most nutty political radicals making fools of themselves these days. An entirely new gaggle of sub-200 post multiple identity ‘contributors’ have overrun Indy Car forums spouting similar cart-centric nonsense ad nauseum. The sooner these people either die off, retire or perhaps even seek sense, decency and a grounding in reality, the better off the entire sport will be.

Campaigning to turn the clock back is not the answer. It makes people espousing that viewpoint look like religious jihadists completely out of step with a modern world. Kirby, Knight and the handful of loudmouthed cart apologists need to embrace the intent of the ‘unity’ that occurred when the remnants of their failed series was rescued. Let’s move forward together. Not backward against the grain.



  1. Yawn. Gordon Kirby and Michael Knight have been around the sport for quite some time. They both have a vested interest in the sport, and get their information from major players who have actual skin in the game.

    Editor’s Note: They have been around cart for quite some time. Like some, they cannot get past the fact that it failed. Twice. They get their ‘information’ from equally bitter children.

    Contrast this with the typical original IRL diehards, who cannot get their heads into 2011, and realize they were sold down the river by Tony George and IMS. This particular group of old, senile malcontents, have to keep trying to ram their own personal agendas down the throats of anyone who will listen to them, to try and save face and to avoid having to admit they were wrong.

    Editor’s Note: It is not about being right or wrong at this point. It is about being oriented in the correct century. Those of us who correctly see Indianapolis as the center of open wheel have been proven correct multiple times over the decades.

    They are not some pompous, bulbous ass who has to resort to opening up his own blog, because has been kicked off of various internet racing forums for putting his juvenile and classless act on display for many to see. The same guy who has no actual involvement in the sport, except for the fact he claims he has attended many races at IMS (who cares anyways, that gives you no credibility).

    Editor’s Note: Son, come back when you gain some actual knowledge. It’s easy to be a parrot.

    It is the old “blame everyone and everything else but themselves” game, to try and make people forget how badly they were played. You sir, Disciple, are the poster boy for this group of old, senile malcontents. Sadly, i think the future generations of fans who attend races at IMS, will have to walk by you as you sit on a street corner, spewing your misguided brand of hate and propaganda, until the day you die, which frankly, cannot come soon enough.

    Editor’s Note: Way to address actual topics, kid. Your approach typifies the handful of you cretins left screaming about cart. Grow up.

    Comment by cart idiot trying to be clever — November 1, 2011 @ 2:12 am | Reply

    • Not that I need to “defend” the Defender, but you really need to get out of Mom’s basement and see the world. Seems to me that the people who can’t seem to get their heads into 2011 (or anything much past 1995, for that matter,) are the people who watched as CART squandered every bit of the “other people’s money” on which they relied. Sure and admittedly, their cars were more technologically advanced: Hell they should have been, since they cost about 1.5 times as much as the old relable Dallara/Honda package that the then-IRL was running. Even at that, they had a viable series until they decided to become F-1 lite. When they walked away from ovals entirely, and foreswore any participation in the Indianapolis 500, their series was doomed. Does that mean Tony George did everything right, Hell no, but he had the “ace of spades” in that he had the 500 and CART did not. When you factor in the “coming of age” of NASCAR at about the same tiume as CART was having their temper tantrums, Their sponsor dollars suddenly got thinner and thinner to where they could no longer afford all the high tech gadgetry for a series that was headed into insolvency and lacked the HUGE payday of Indianapolis.

      It may be true that some of us were watching cars go around at 16th and Georgetown before you were born, but that does not make you right and us wrong. At least we still HAVE a racing series that is viable..

      Comment by SkipinSC — November 1, 2011 @ 6:44 pm | Reply

  2. Interesting that you would post this right now, as I just finished reading and commenting on FB about Mr. Knight. And I thought Lars Anderson’s piece in SI last week was bad. I reposted a link to his piece because his blind loyalty to a series twice failed is simply, to use his word, untenable.

    Comment by SkipinSC — November 1, 2011 @ 3:22 am | Reply

  3. These guys have had an axe to grind for a while, now they feel they have something to beat indycar over the head with. People like this seem to think they have a monopoly on the facts, when all they really do is adjust things to fit their view. If it wasn’t this, it would be something else that was sending them over the edge. The whole ” sky is falling ” routine is old. These hacks need to do us all a favor and go find a new sport to nag to death. Take the pissed off 13 year old girl routine somewhere else.

    Comment by Matt — November 1, 2011 @ 1:27 pm | Reply

  4. I’ve tried to read Knight before but the bitterness and negativity that drips from the page took the finish off my desk.

    Comment by redcar — November 1, 2011 @ 3:48 pm | Reply

  5. “I know NASCAR is popular, but there would be no NASCAR without IMS.”

    Regardless of the historical validity of that statement (which is, at best, questionable and largely interpretive), IMS could close its doors tomorrow and it would barely make a dent on the value and importance of NASCAR in the present day. Which is to say that IMS isn’t the point at which racing in the US revolves, its the HQ in Daytona, and its been that way for a couple decades. It isn’t even close.

    Editor’s Note: If it makes you feel better, go ahead and feel that way. But you might want to check which NASCAR race generates the most money from sponsors and attendees. It ain’t Daytona.

    Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 1, 2011 @ 5:16 pm | Reply

    • LOL, what? Source plz. You; not a source.

      Editor’s Note: Reading. Try it.

      Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 3, 2011 @ 3:29 am | Reply

  6. Having read this weeks Kirby article I must say I agree with Ashmore’s perspective on the new car. Unfortunately a camel is a horse designed by committee. That’s what we have folks, a camel.

    Comment by Bill — November 2, 2011 @ 9:00 am | Reply

  7. ouch…seems everybody wants what once was. Proper cars,proper race circuits,proper safety and proper management….yet you have the IRL, in all its glory.You deserve it!

    Editor’s Note: Definition of ‘everybody’ = a handful of determined cart enthusiasts who refuse to budge from 1995. Also, the IRL moniker was retired many months ago. Time moves forward….join us.

    Comment by J.B. — November 2, 2011 @ 6:42 pm | Reply

  8. Disciple thanks for bringing the Michael Knight story to my attention. Wouldn’t have read it and passed it on to everyone otherwise. He knocked the nail on the head. Facts instead of all the BS some wannabe commentators write.

    Editor’s Note: Story? You mean his childish rant and the glory that was cart before it killed itself, twice? You’re welcome. And hey….it’s blogspot. The place where all serious writers toil. LOL.

    Comment by Jack — November 3, 2011 @ 4:58 pm | Reply

  9. Disciple why remove my comment thanking you for directing everyone to Mike Knights fact based story and away from your constant moaning drivel????????????

    Editor’s Note: Patience, grasshopper. It takes a while for me to weed through all the hate mail from 1995 flat earthers.

    Comment by DICK — November 3, 2011 @ 8:30 pm | Reply

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