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November 11, 2011

Indy Car: One Step Forward, Two Steps Back

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:18 pm

Indy Car leadership has the right idea about making Indy Car a global brand and should be congratulated. All those Terry Angstadt travel expenses may make the series some serious money. After all, it is easier to find governmental entities willing to throw in millions for a vig in far flung countries than in US cities. Ask the mayor of Baltimore how much flak she has taken since they ran an Indy Car festival o’ speed there.

It is not difficult to agree with the selection of China or a vibrant city of 8.7 million people there. The primary problems, as always, involve the complete lack of bigger picture business sense on display once again by Indy Car ‘leadership.’

-The very best time to build attention for the Indy Car brand on the continent that holds Indy is NOT during football season. Why, then, would Indy Car decide to take the entire series completely out of commission for a month to take two weeks to travel to China, run a parade, then travel two more weeks coming back WHEN IT IS NOT FOOTBALL SEASON!? That defies logic. Can’t these offshore money grabs occur when folks domestically are not going to watch anyway? What would be wrong with having a festival o’ speed in late September or early October in China? August ought to be a month when there is a race on this continent EVERY WEEKEND. How many pundits are going to travel to China to cover Indy Car? LOL.

-A 3.87 mile temporary street circuit? Really? That ought to send chills up and down the spines of all viewers in the middle of the night when it’s not football season.

Here are some venues my party used to attend every single year that we can’t now, because some feel it is more important to go global and remove the single most important part of the season for travel to the other side of the planet:

Pikes Peak 
Possibly Kentucky
Las Vegas

For every advancement Indy Car takes, another appendage gets shot off. It would be nice if leadership added common sense to business acumen.



  1. Just more proof this league wants to be F1 Lite.

    Comment by Bob F. — November 11, 2011 @ 4:19 pm | Reply

  2. If more than just you and your party showed up at these venues, they might still be around. But then again, you may have been blinded by the suns glare reflecting off the bare aluminium at these events.

    Editor’s Note: It’s a lot easier being a real racing fan by showing up to these things. It certainly beats sitting up in BF Canada someplace being a hypocrite.

    Comment by J.B. — November 12, 2011 @ 3:57 am | Reply

    • Its a lot easier to travel around North America to watch crappy races than to sit at home and look at the TV? LOL. OK.

      Editor’s Note: It is for actual racing fans.

      Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 13, 2011 @ 3:00 pm | Reply

      • “It is for actual racing fans.” So actual racing fans are only the people who spend an assload of money watching the sport in person? Interesting theory. I guess Indy doesn’t have many actual racing fans in it, does it?

        That’s OK. I get what you’re trying to do. I mean, alright, you need to give yourself reinforcement that you’re better than Joe Casualfan who just sits on his duff at home. On the upside, you can brag to a lot of people online about how many times you’ve been to a track to see the last Indycar race ever held there. At this point, that’s probably a whole ton of different facilities. That’s something, I suppose.

        Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 15, 2011 @ 1:07 am

    • Kentucky and New Hampshire were dropped after drawing 30,000 fans. Yet we are keeping the following:

      Edmonton 25,000 attendance
      Mid-Ohio 25,000 attendance
      Streets of Toronto 20,000 attendance
      St. Petersburg 15,000 attendance.

      If we lost those two ovals due to attendance. why are these four road/street courses still on the schedule but the two ovals gone???

      Comment by Bob F. — November 14, 2011 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

      • Simple. Because Honda wants to continue to sponsor St. Pete and Mid Ohio. The city governments of Toronto and Edmonton want to subsidize the costs of running a street race; they believe, rightly or wrongly, that spending public monies to run the race brings in benefits that justify the costs.
        As for Kentucky and New Hampshire? Because 30,000 fans (which by all accounts other than Disciple’s is inflated) isn’t enough to pay the bills there. Essentially, the promoters/owners of those tracks told IndyCar thanks, but no thanks, and don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

        Editor’s Note: Curiously, everyone who poo-poos my attendance estimates:

        A. Was not there
        B. Has not speaked to the folks who keep track of attendance.

        That rarely stops them from obsessing, however. LOL.

        I do not believe the tracks have thrown Indy Car out…I believe the road racers actually running the series and pulling Bernard’s puppet strings are making ovals extinct.

        Comment by Steven Kornya — November 16, 2011 @ 3:36 am

    • Riddle me this. I was an attendee at a great many venues, from Long Beach to Milwaukee to Cleveland,Michigan, Toronto,, Road America,Tremblant, Indy and St. Petes. Like most others, no more. How come?

      Editor’s Note: Because cart killed themselves. Twice. Indy has always been there, and they rescued Long Beach and St. Petes.

      Comment by J.B. — November 14, 2011 @ 7:01 pm | Reply

      • yet…..none of us so called cart fans came to the IRL. My problem or the IRL’s problem?

        Editor’s Note: That fact that a certain kind of cart ‘fan’ did not ‘come to the IRL’ (LOL) would be great if it were true. Unfortunately that kind of ‘cart’ fan is obsessed with Indy Car and thinks about it more than even the most die hard actual Indy Car fan. In other words, I would feel better if that kind of ‘fan’ actually did leave.

        Comment by J.B. — November 16, 2011 @ 4:36 am

  3. Wow, the writer of this blog has once again shown is complete lack of business acumen and ignorance to what is currently going on in the Indycar series.

    Do you even watch Indycar anymore?? I figure not. If you did, there is no valid argument you could make in regards to your point here. It is 100% complete and utter bs spouted by somebody who doesn’t have the vaguest idea about what they’re talking about.

    Please, get a clue before posting more brain-numbing garbage.

    Editor’s Note: Is there any attempt at a point in there anyplace or just idle slamming?

    Comment by David Beattie — November 15, 2011 @ 6:14 am | Reply

  4. Your crazy how bout those fans who can’t afford to fly around and attend all the races they aren’t true fans?

    Editor’s Note: My crazy? My problem is not with fans who can’t afford to go to the races. My problem is with a handful stuck in a previous century so darkly obsessed with Indy Car that anything that happens is bad. That type of person has no business in the sport.

    Comment by Todd Johnson — November 15, 2011 @ 7:09 pm | Reply

    • well, you’re getting your wish. They have no business with indycar, thus the empty venues.

      Editor’s Note: Other than Milwaukee (which drew thousands), please name all the ’empty’ venues. Indy Car’s attendance increased this year to over 1.3 million. Before you taunt you ought to try and find a clue.

      Comment by J.B. — November 16, 2011 @ 4:47 am | Reply

      • You mean like the present day versions of Loudon and Kentucky that won’t be hosting Indycar races next year?

        Editor’s Note: Have you seen the officially released Indy Car schedule for 2012 yet? If you have, please shoot me a copy. Thanks in advance.

        Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 16, 2011 @ 2:54 pm

      • well, let’s see. 3.2 million fans divided into the 17 races this year= a staggering 188,000 fans in attendance per race. Awesome number, one that tells me that the IRL certainly doesn’t need my support or dollars.

        Editor’s Note: I see the simplicity of your thought leads you to weird conclusions. At some point I will post the numbers, event by event, for your benefit. Helpful hint: The count includes more than just race days for all events.

        Comment by J.B. — November 16, 2011 @ 4:56 pm

      • Kentucky released its own 2012 schedule sans Indycar. I’m gonna guess that Loudon will do the same since they’ve already publicly said they aren’t paying to bring them back. Do we have to wait until the 2012 season is over before we can justly state that they won’t have races? LOL

        Editor’s Note: Again, do you have a copy of the official 2012 Indy Car schedule that I may have missed? Feel free to post it.

        Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 17, 2011 @ 5:29 am

  5. I watched every lap of every IndyCar race last year. I do seem to recall one car being passed on a road/street circuit. … No, wait. That was the pace car that was passed as it pulled into the pits. Nope, can’t recall a single pass on a road/street circuit. But I’ll keep watching, hoping against hope, that something exciting happens in one of those races.

    Comment by spreadoption — November 29, 2011 @ 1:35 pm | Reply

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