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November 20, 2011

Indy Car Direction: A Cynically Realistic Point of View

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 2:19 pm

Ever since the formula wannabe road racing crowd was formally allowed back into the Indy Car house, no strings attached, early in 2008 most of them have spent an inordinate amount of time basically crapping where they eat. One of the things they gripe about more frequently than just about anything else is 1.5 mile ovals. When the unfortunate Dan Wheldon accident occurred, they pounced on it to advance their agenda more quickly than a horde of vultures on road kill.

Despite consistently flowery lip service we always receive from the management of the series the numbers do not lie regarding current direction:

2006: 11 ovals / 3 Road and street
2007: 12 ovals / 5 Road and street
2008: 11 ovals / 6 Road and street (‘unification’ year)
2009: 10 ovals / 7 Road and street
2010: 8 ovals / 9 Road and street
2011: 7 ovals / 10 Road and street
2012: 4-5 ovals / 11-12 Road and street

Another thing also making many long term fans sick and tired is the self-defeating attitude of those trying their hardest to be overly pragmatic in their enabling of such house crappers. This is usually manifested in statements like ‘….well, they need to make money right now to fund a balanced schedule later.’ I call bullshit. No one likes to lose money, but Indy Car is nowhere near as destitute as its critics attempt to position it.

It is also getting very tedious listening to claims ovals no longer work. That is also nonsense. The top two reasons oval attendance has suffered are:

-Indy Car has not put serious promotional effort into any of them except Las Vegas for at least three years.

-Jacking around with highly erratic scheduling of them makes it impossible for people to get into a habit and plan to attend.

There are a host of smaller things as well, including uninspired presentation, inconsistent ancillary events, stupid pricing policies and exclusion of fans from an all encompassing experience at the track without robbing them of even more money.

One thing Bruton Smith has done at Las Vegas that should be mandatory at every track is the fan zone in the infield that allows views inside garages at little to no cost. That is an example of fan friendliness.

The Indy Car cause is not helped when the series is continuously hammered by ignorant writers who find themselves outside looking in. Anthony Schoettle, for example, singlehandedly defiles the otherwise great reputation of the Indiana Business Journal with nearly continuous negative speculation about Indy Car. Part of his orientation can be blamed on his youth and inexperience, but the Enquirer-like nature of the writing from that ilk adds far too much sleaze.


Indy Car Road Racers Offer Their Opinions About Oval Racing

But I digress. With regard to 1.5 mile ovals, the overreaction by the house crappers to the unfortunate conclusion to the season continues to be ridiculous. I find it incomprehensible that venues such as Texas are considered to be on the chopping block. That is INSANE. Robin Miller reported on Speed that the VP of Engineering for Indy Car (another former cart person) is working with team engineers to come up with a ‘solution’ to this ‘problem’ the house crappers believe we have. Here’s an idea. Go back and watch recordings of Texas from the late 1990s through the early 2000s. Once we endured snide commentary about their perceived inferiority of the IRL we would inevitably be led back to the ‘we need higher horsepower and lower downforce’ argument. That actually does have merit, but before we change the formula again is it not worth seeing how three engine manufacturers with turbos handle it? Perhaps wait until the destitute owners can afford the aero kits, which also might make a difference? Or settling on a tire manufacturer (or two) long term? We already know the spec nature of Indy Car is being phased out.

Balance, Randy. Balance. An equal number of ovals (including 1.5 mile ovals) and non-ovals. Make it happen for 2012. 



  1. yet another article in which you dont have a clue what your talking about, it always amazes me and my family and my friends, we get a good laugh…. the only thing we agree is that we need balance with ovals, i have nothing against ovals, just 1.5 miler death traps, i love phoenix, rockingham, loudon, richmond, iowa, milwaukee, pocono, all of those would be awesome, but ovals don’t work on 1.5 mile ovals because they are not racing, they are playing chicken, when you hold the throttle flat for 2 hours straight please explain to me how thats showcasing talent? it doesnt, it purely does not!! thats why nobody show’s up, and did you see the awesome crowd at las vegas? whoa we packed that house full with about 20,000 fans WITH FREE TICKETS, please wake up and if your gonna rant about balance in schedule (we agree, even us CART enthusiasts agree, we just want tracks that showcase talent)…. and one more thing, CART failed because the sponsors, and engine companies wanted the indy 500, every race cart had, had higher tv ratings that the tony george league, IRL won the war because of the 500, other than that cart would have won… end of story

    Editor’s Note: Your borderline illiteracy combined with ignorance/arrogance about racing on mile and a half ovals gives your status as a fan of cart away pretty easily.

    Comment by birel 0499 — November 20, 2011 @ 9:25 pm | Reply

    • Well because I am a cart fan, your a IRL fan too I’m guessing by your ignorance to the facts I stated about the 1.5 mile death traps, yes we are afraid of them because is it even worth the risks? No…. Nobody watches, nobody shows up, the risk of a massive crash is massive, are you just admitting that you like to watch the fear of death at race tracks??? Well good thing you have YouTube to watch all the fatal and massive crashes at these tracks, grow up please “irl defender” and wake up too…. It’s Indycar not IRL, because randy was smart enough to know that the name of IRL means failure

      Editor’s Note: My a IRL fan? Are you aware it has not been called ‘IRL’ for about two years? Evidently not. What that tells me, particularly when combined with the rampant illiteracy prominently on display here, is that you are a child who is ignorant pontificating on a topic about which you do not have even the first whiff of clue. Hardly surprising behavior among your small group, however.

      Comment by Birel0499 — November 21, 2011 @ 2:03 am | Reply

      • “my a IRL fan?” haha that makes no sense what grade did you drop out of in middle school? I swear you must not read everything I say, because I SAID its not the the IRL ANYMORE!!!! Read the whole f***ing comment before you respond next time mr. Drop out! And FYI once again your providing my whole family some great laughs about the fact your ignoring all the facts I’ve stated, your illiteracy and ignorance/arrogance about 1.5 mile ovals is hilarious dude! Keep it up please! We can’t wait for the next rant in which you make yourself look like a fool again!

        Editor’s Note: Evidently you really are that dense. Here is what sailed right over your head: http://www.wikihow.com/Use-You%27re-and-Your
        Essentially, it is instruction on the difference in usage for ‘your’ and ‘you’re.’ So you see, in actual fact I am pretty distant from the level of stupid about which you and your little family seem to ignorantly chuckle. My only other piece of meaningful advice after suggesting remedial grammar assistance would be to actually learn what YOU’RE talking about regarding Indy Car oval racing. You are obviously challenged intellectually in that area as well.

        Comment by Birel0499 — November 21, 2011 @ 7:34 pm

  2. Be realistic, Disciple. You know 50/50–due to some very real safety and financial issues– will not happen next year. I would like to see it as a goal for ’13, but it will call for some imaginative marketing to make that happen.

    Comment by redcar — November 21, 2011 @ 4:30 am | Reply

  3. One question for you Disciple…

    If, as you claim, that ovals is what everyone wants, that the racing is so good, etc;, then why would Tony George not still be running the IRL today?

    Do not blame everything on former Cart teams, employees, etc;. That is basically just a cop-out on your part. Everything that Indycar is today, comes from IMS, they make the decisions, the employees just impliment them.

    Editor’s Note: Tony George stated early and often that his interest was not in running a series long term. Indy Car, whatever its philosophical orientation, is being run by someone widely viewed as more on the ball than Tony George. Is that not a good thing? The push toward non-ovals is, in fact, a byproduct of the cart way. My interest remains in achieving balance that has been promised.

    Comment by Jo Mamma — November 23, 2011 @ 2:06 am | Reply

    • Whether or not that was his interest, its what he got stuck doing. He never bothered to groom a successor either if that was actually the plan. Sounds like he sucked at that. Oh, wait, the ratings and attendance from this entire period of time tell me that too.

      If the balance that has been promised doesn’t come through, then what? Are you going to call for new ownership? Stop watching or attending Indy? I am somewhat interested in knowing.

      Editor’s Note: I am optimisitc Mr. Bernard wil figure it out. If he doesn’t then I will fight for new leadership, preferably without any ties to the cart era. I will never stop watching or attending Indy. As a real racing fan, I have been through many evolutionary facets.

      Comment by throw some ds on that b!tch — November 23, 2011 @ 5:59 pm | Reply

  4. Another blog by the most ignorant person in the Indycar blogsphere. Congratulations, your level of retardness reached new levels this week. That must be a personal best for you.

    Editor’s Note: Why not use your brain to comment on topics instead of acting like you are at recess in the second grade? It would certainly make you appear more intelligent and mature.

    Comment by David B — November 23, 2011 @ 2:49 am | Reply

  5. I’m sure Disciple thanks David B and all the rest of the illiterate people of society who make this place a daily stop.

    Comment by Bob Up — November 23, 2011 @ 12:06 pm | Reply

  6. I’m tired. Didn’t get much sleep last night. Think I’ll take a long nap. Time to fire up the DVR and turn on an IndyCar road/street race. That will knock me out for three hours. ZZZZZZZZZZZZ! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Give me ovals or give me …. more ovals. That’s where the excitement is.

    Comment by spreadoption — November 29, 2011 @ 1:39 pm | Reply

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