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January 20, 2012

How Can Indy Car Fans Trust Those Who Fought Against It?

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:07 am

One of the racing writers who has always had tremendous potential IMHO is John Oreovicz, who now pens for Indy Car ‘partner’ ESPN. The other day on his Facebook page he let loose a good one: ‘The next thing I’m planning to write is an open letter to the Indy car community. It’s time for the CART fans, the IRL fans, the USAC fans – in other words, everybody who once cared about Indy car racing – to put their simmering grudges aside and SUPPORT THE SPORT OF INDY CAR RACING AS IT EXISTS TODAY. Let’s ALL grow up, people, and save the sport we all loved before it dies.’

That is a great stance and I applaud Oreo for making it. The only nagging doubt I still have is basically WHAT TOOK YOU SO F#$%ING LONG TO REACH THAT NOBLE CONCLUSION?

It is a great struggle, but I am trying to trust all of the former cart employees and enthusiasts now offering such advice after they spent the better part of fifteen years trying in every way they could to destroy any part of the sport even remotely associated with Tony George. Now that the sport more closely resembles what they believe they had in 1995 it seems curious that those of us who have spent decades supporting the sport in ALL of its evolutionary phases are now almost getting whipped with olive branches.

Trust of that cart ilk remains a continuing struggle. To be honest, I am not certain it is possible. These people have acted for years in ways detrimental to the sport. I have always fancied myself a real fan. Why? I have spent money every year since 1959 to attend Indy Car races (primarily at Indy but more recently all over North America and Mexico), and it has never really mattered to me who was in charge. I have always cared about the sport, and the only thing that has really bothered my critics over the years is exposing their crap agenda for what it has been. I love just about every portion of the sport but I genuinely dislike phonies. I especially dislike the arrogance spouted by the cart-centric since 1996. Hell, there are STILL multiple Indy Car hate sites run by these idiots. All of them can’t die off and take their pointless sites with them, but perhaps the ones still here could heed Oreovicz’s advice and just grow up.

The only real question for John and his type remains the same. Where was this conciliatory sentiment in 1996? 1997? 1998? 1999? 2000? 2001? 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? 2006? 2007? 2008? 2009? 2010? 2011?

Trust has to be earned, and it will probably take some more time.



  1. Trust? Indycar itself dismissed former fans of both split factions. Mr. Oreovicz’s blurb on social media is meaningless.

    Where is the sanctioning body of this rabble AOW series of misfits declaring a truce, and leading all factions back under its umbrella?

    If the series would lead an open charge such as the one Oreovicz proposes, wouldnt that have most impact? But they won’t, and the war rages on. Trust, the fans want that in the series, and that hasn’t existed since the inception of the IRL. GOOD LUCK Indycar!
    Editor’s Note: The series has already spent way too much time anointing the remnants of cart. It is now up to the contrary fans themselves to embrace the sport. I did in 1959 and have never wavered. Wish everyone would.

    Comment by Goron Liddy — January 20, 2012 @ 5:47 pm | Reply

    • Baloney, the series has done nothing for the put off fans. Explain ONE thing the series has done that meets the criteria Oreovicz puts forth in his blurb on your site.

      All the series has said is we are moving forward, period. So, quit the croccodile tear act, it’s all fake. Indycar has made their bed and fishwrappers like Oreo cant change that perception either.
      Editor’s Note: Fans have a choice. Not for you? So long. Indy Car has been around since the early 1900s. That predates all of us.

      Comment by Goron Liddy — January 20, 2012 @ 9:45 pm | Reply

  2. So are you going to talk about the past and then call out everyone who comments and tell them to stop living in the past?
    Editor’s Note: No. I am encouraging everyone to act like the racing fans they claim to be.

    Comment by Fo Real — January 20, 2012 @ 7:01 pm | Reply

  3. We have a new car that is not open wheel. It apparently is now no faster than Nascar, with them hitting 210 just last week in trials. There are only four ovals scheduled, and on street courses these cars built for speed will not run as fast as stock cars. They will be nothing more than parades. Even the road courses chosen are poor. At least two of the races are out of the country and that is only going to increase.

    If I agree to this, I agree to surrender to Penske, Ganassi and all the owners who have been dragging this league down since 1979.

    I am as close to boycotting this league as I have ever been. Fenders, street parades. No more track records at Indy. Only four ovals. When Nascar is more exciting than American Open Wheel Racing you know the league is in treacherous territory.

    CART III is going to meet the legacy of the first two. To borrow from the Christmas Carol:

    “If these shadows remain unaltered by the Future, the child will die”.

    Comment by Bob F. — January 20, 2012 @ 9:21 pm | Reply

  4. Amen. It’s about time someone besides Disciple and a few others made their voice heard on saving and/or salvaging IndyCar racing. Yeah, why DID it take so long?

    Comment by DOUG — January 20, 2012 @ 10:11 pm | Reply

  5. Disciple, you are the man. I found your blog a week ago, and have read damn near all of it. You and me think so much alike when it comes to the sport it’s almost scary. I like all motorsports, yes, even Asscar, but I feel like IndyCar is the most relevant, historic and important of all American motorsport. Cart/Chumpcar was great for what it was, but the way it was run and how it ended was like watching the Special Olympics. I also agree that while Anton had his shortcomings, in the long run he saved American open wheel racing, and I am eternally grateful to him for that.

    Keep it up, your humor and wit, along with your true passion for the sport will keep my lazy ass coming back here.

    Comment by Jordan L. — January 21, 2012 @ 6:57 am | Reply

  6. Fans dont have a choice, thats why they hate Indycar.
    Editor’s Note: Then they are not fans. ‘Hate Indycar!?’ Excuse me? They have two choices: 1) Grow up. 2) Go find something else to do.

    IMS has rammed this garbage down the fans throat. Based on Oreo’s plea, the fans have voiced their opinion.
    Editor’s Note: ‘Garbage,’ like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. I do not have much respect for those who pick a 16 year niche as the standard then slam everything else. That’s just ignorant.

    You can provide the information I requested, can you? IMS deserves what they get.
    IMS has led the way for 100 years. Some people remain unable to grasp that.

    Comment by Goron Liddy — January 21, 2012 @ 2:35 pm | Reply

  7. Thanks for the mention! – Oreo

    Comment by John Oreovicz — October 17, 2012 @ 8:34 pm | Reply

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