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March 14, 2012

Is It Time To Drop The Indy Car Green Flag Yet?

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:38 pm

The excitement is building as we get closer to finally opening the 2012 Indy Car season complete with new cars, drivers, paint jobs and events. The real fun for racing fans arrives once they drop the flag. Most of us are beyond ready.

Despite the optimism a new season brings, it is still possible to stumble across aspects of the sport that brings amusement, many times in snide ways. On balance, Randy Bernard has done one helluva great job in elevating the stature of the sport. Turns out he struck a deal with Dreamworks, and an animated movie centered around the 500 called ‘Turbo’ is being made. It has some heavy hitters involved, and will help with the pop culture aspect of Indy Car.

The Indy Car website is also being revamped (it’s about time) and the first phase hits the Internet tomorrow. Merchandise offerings have been enhanced through a new partnership with Lids. My only hope is that I can actually buy thing I want easily without having to jump through a myriad of hoops. It would be nice, for example, to buy a DVD copy of the Centennial 500. I have been told it is for sale, but finding it and subsequently purchasing it is a different story.

It would also be nice to lay my mitts on a copy of a ‘unified’ record book alluded to in tweets by Randy Bernard. It appears, however, that only 1,000 of them are available and you must jump through hoops. That is probably for the best anyway. Randy’s determination to sweep all things ‘split’ under the rug for good would probably just irk me anyway, as has the continuing regressive cartization of Indy Car. Hell, there is even talk Surfer’s Paradise may return. It is easy to understand the value of harmony in the sport, but no one who took part in that boycott has ever been held accountable for any of their behavior that nearly destroyed the sport. That is galling. That said, we should all be for moving forward.

With the weather around most of the country in late May mode, the only wish for most of us is that cars get onto the track. Now, more than ever, drop the flag.



  1. “Regressive cartization”? Yet, you are galled at the fact “they” aren’t held accountable for a boycott? Why don’t you grow up for once. THIS series today is what YOU wanted in 1996, 1991, 1978, 1965 etc. You even pat Michael Andretti on the back as best owner. Hulman’s still in control of speedway and sport, YET it still is CART, isn’t that the gall you’re alluding to?

    So, you don’t always get what you want, none of us do. Grow up you old fart, if you take your dentures out, the excrement sandwich goes down easier. Or is that crow you’re dining on today?
    Editor’s Note: The classless, arrogant immaturity of the most vocal, unapologetic cart enthusiasts (all of whom remain obsessed about IndyCar) makes my point better than any words I am able to type every single time.

    Comment by Goran Liddy — March 14, 2012 @ 4:04 pm | Reply

    • …predictably moronic, off topic slamming…
      Editor’s Note: If you want commentary to see the light of day, make it relevant to the topic please.

      Comment by Goran Liddy — March 15, 2012 @ 1:36 am | Reply

    • …predictably moronic, off topic slamming…
      Editor’s Note: If you want commentary to see the light of day, make it relevant to the topic please.

      Comment by Goran Liddy Fan, IRL Defender hater — March 15, 2012 @ 3:29 am | Reply

  2. Wow nice article until the second last paragraph. Do you get Kool-aid delivered straight from Tony George everyday?
    Editor’s Note: No, actually I use my brain, powers of observation and statement of the obvious. By the way, classy reference to mass murder/suicide as well as the handy ‘Tony George’ fallback. Grow up.

    Comment by Bill B. — March 14, 2012 @ 4:21 pm | Reply

  3. The new webiste is going to be partially introduced next Thursday, not this Thursday. RB made the mistake on twitter and then corrected himself

    Comment by Tim — March 14, 2012 @ 6:24 pm | Reply

  4. The only person held accountable was the one who did the most damage to the sport. Tony George.
    Editor’s Note: Hey, welcome back. Even though your parrotted response based on ignorance/prejudice is predictable.

    Comment by TroyM — March 15, 2012 @ 3:22 pm | Reply

  5. ‘No one who took part in that boycott has ever been held accountable for any of their behavior that nearly destroyed the sport.’

    I agree.

    I say we throw anyone and everyone who had anything to do with the mutiny out of the series. Right now.

    Lets start with the track owners/promoters who had the gall to host CART/CCWS races during the boycott, instead of putting on an IRL race. St. Pete, Long Beach, Belle Isle, Milwaukee, Toronto, Edmonton, Mid Ohio, and Fontana should be removed from the schedule IMMEDIATELY. While that would leave the series with only 8 races, including such AOWR hotbeds as Sao Paulo and Qingdao, at least they would be 8 LOYAL tracks.

    Then we’ll move on to the owners. Penske, Ganassi, and KV are easy. The Captain, Chip, and Kevin Kalkhoven were the driving force behind the mutiny that wrecked the sport. Andretti? He was an owner for Andretti/Green and a racer for Newman Haas. He’s gone. Dale Coyne and Keith Wiggins? Both CART/CCWS owners. Done. Lotus/Dragon is history as well; they hired Katherine Legge (CCWS’ attempt at Danica) and SeaBass, a four-time CCWS champ. Brian Herta Autosports is out because, before he put Wheldon in a car and won Indy last year, he was a CARTista. Finally DRR and Schmidt are out as well. While they weren’t owners in the CART/CCWS, they chose to hire drivers (Servia and Pagenaud) who chose to race there. As you say, they must be held accountable for their behavior.

    So our series is now three ovals and five twisties. Still not quite your beloved 50/50, but better. And Ed Carpenter will finally get good results on a road course, because with only four teams/drivers left in the field, he’s guaranteed a top 5 EVERY START. Oh, and on a final note three of the four drivers in the series (Ed, Hildebrand, Newgarden) are good ol’ fashioned ‘Mericans.

    If this isn’t a vibrant way to move the sport forward, I don’t know what is.

    Just a question, how can you still insist on retribution for those on the CART side of the split, while at the same time advocate that we must all move forward, without realizing that you are, in simple fact, a flaming hypocrite?
    Editor’s Note: I like your idea, Steve. Perhaps they should start their own series, distance themselves from Indy, then see how it works out for them. Also, there is a rather large difference between ‘insistence on retribution’ that you have conjured up from thin air and a simple observation that no one has ever been held accountable from the boycotters’ group. Your peeps are kind of like the black sheep drunken uncle who stops by your house, pukes on the floor, doesn’t even apologize, raids your liquor cabinet, then tells your neighbors it’s actually his house…but he doesn’t get called on his boorish behavior because family harmony is most important. At the very least, he needs to have his ass kicked. Do you think that if Indy tradionalists spend the next sixteen years screeching hysterically like 2nd graders throwing a floor fit we’ll get our way too?

    Comment by Steven Kornya — March 15, 2012 @ 7:41 pm | Reply

    • Jonathan Swift. ‘A Modest Proposal’. Ever read it? Look on the initial post as my ‘Modest Proposal’ as it were.

      It was sarcasm. Throwing half the tracks and 3/4 of your teams out of the sport would be ludicrous. Duh.

      But to address your point. Yes. They thought they could run a series without the Indy 500. It didn’t work. Just as some at IMS thought that they could run a series (note I said SERIES, not the Indy 500) without the top teams, owners, and drivers. That didn’t work so well either.

      Name calling and drunken boorish uncles aside, and in all seriousness, this isn’t the first time (and it likely won’t be the last) that you have called for those affiliated with the ‘boycott’ to be held accountable, yet you have (to the best of my knowledge) never suggested what form this accountability should take? An apology? Compensation? Being tied to the Scoring Pylon at Indy and flogged?

      Please, kind sir, if it’s not too much trouble… How would you propose to hold them ‘accountable’?

      As an aside, will your ‘Hold ‘Em Accountable While We Move Forward Tour’ take you through St. Pete this year?
      Editor’s Note: A great start would be remembering how the sport was built. I’m still trying for St. Pete….it’ll be a game time decision, but I am headed for Barber.

      Comment by Steven Kornya — March 15, 2012 @ 10:30 pm | Reply

      • Remembering how the sport was built? Do you seriously think the *new* fans the IRL/Indycar are seeking even care? Why is that even remotely relevant at this juncture? As evidenced by IMS’s actions, it’s not. The anger in your blog is misplaced, it should be targeted at IMS’s inability to make that history important, always. According to you, they’ve failed, and you lash out at anything but them. Admit you were wrong all along, duped by the speedway because you were. There’s a start for ya.
        Editor’s Note: Perhaps if I was mentally impaired or colossally immature I might twist my logic into something that banal. Fortunately I have the benefit of maturity, experience and and ability to reason.

        Comment by Goran Liddy — March 16, 2012 @ 4:17 am

      • I think they remember how the sport was built. How do they not? Any other ideas for making them pay?

        Comment by Too young to be a cart enthusiast. — March 17, 2012 @ 1:02 am

      • Make them pay, for what? Pay for the failed oval track at WDW? Or the locust plagued Pikes Peak debacles? The monumental low ratings of the Indy 500 since 1996?

        They came back to the mothership…pride and egos befallen, isn’t that pubishment enough? They are the only things keeping this ship from sinking. Yet, the haters still complain.
        Editor’s Note: That group almost singlehandedly destroed the entire sport due mostly to ego. Stop being so idiotically defensive and look at the big picture son.

        Comment by Goran Liddy — March 20, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

      • If you’re asking Defender about specific solutions for any of the issues he’s bringing up, prepare yourself for a notable lack of answers. As best I can tell: CART teams must pay by IMS starting a new stock car series filled with Americans to take on NASCAR and you won’t understand unless you buy a ticket. So, there you go. One must wonder why IMS hasn’t taken his advice yet.
        Editor’s Note: A course in remedial reading and basic comprehension skills might just be the ticket for you. Just sayin…

        Comment by cashmoneytrillionaires — March 23, 2012 @ 3:28 pm

      • You’re right. I forgot to start with the fact that IMS is oblivious or uninterested when it comes to running a racing series, and should hire someone qualified that has nothing to do with anyone else in auto racing. That feeds into CART needing to be punished and the rest of your usual nonsensical jibber-jabber.
        Editor’s Note: How could I possibly argue with such superior intellect? I suppose we should just hand over the keys to the kingdom to a group that managed to spectacularly fail on their own. Twice. LOL

        Comment by cashmoneytrillionaires — March 23, 2012 @ 4:40 pm

      • Hand it over to a bunch of guys who failed twice? Didn’t they already have to ostensibly do that in order to keep cars on the grid? Isn’t that the cause of 95% of your angry, misguided ramblings? LOL indeed.
        Editor’s Note: Well, that is one generous interpretation. In reality IndyCar bought assets in a fire sale and generously called it ‘reunification.’ That did not stop the whining.

        Comment by cashmoneytrillionaires — March 27, 2012 @ 11:48 pm

  6. Destroed? I know what you meant. What big picture? The Hulman family has eroded the sport from within and allowed these inglourious basterds to rule the hen house. Explain how that happened please.
    Editor’s Note: Not the time or place for another pointless re-hash. None of you have the capacity to absorb information anyway.

    Comment by Goran Liddy — March 21, 2012 @ 7:11 pm | Reply

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