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September 17, 2013

Late IndyCar Season: The Dead Zone

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 11:58 pm

Thumb TwiddleIt is thumb twiddling time as IndyCar fans wait a month for any cars on the track. Will anyone notice when they do? Houston is coming up, and is another attempt to breathe life into a dead horse. The management must feel that as long as there is a sponsor, a permit and a cleared check the latest non-oval festival o’ speed is just dandy. Personally I can hardly wait for Fontana.

In the meantime there are other stories that will keep the series in press releases. The biggest (figuratively and literally) is Team Penske’s signing, sans any sponsor, to drive a third IndyCar for the team next season. Many perceive Montoya to be a villain. That may or may not be true, but his 2000 500 win came early prior to his adventures in Formula One and NASCAR. 38 is still young for most, but driving IndyCars at that age begins to approach Q-Grandmatips driving Buicks in Florida territory. It will be interesting to see if he has any of what he had the last time.

None of us have seen any sort of schedule for 2014 but many are predicting it will be smaller, contain multiple doubleheaders and will probably contain a road race at Indy in May, despite the karma risks and blatant trashing of tradition. Baltimore bailed. That is a shame because it is in a geographically underserved area. WTFThat region is an ideal location for a purpose built track (despite howling from Dover whenever the subject arises) and that might work a little better than inconveniencing thousands of Baltimore citizens for weeks at a time to throw a carnival no one, particularly businesses in the area, seem to believe is necessary.

In an effort to cultivate real schedule balance it would be nice to believe IndyCar is having active discussions with folks like Andy Hillenburg at Rockingham or the company that runs the oval track west of Memphis. Both have the new wall systems and both would be likely to succeed. That vision is probably not shared with the road racers bending Miles’ ears.

Is it October yet?



  1. One would think an Indy lover like yourself would know that Montoya won the IRL 500 in 2000. If Dover is supposedly howling, why doesn’t the IRL just run there?
    Editor’s Note: The folks who own the track do not want to simply hand over a 1.5 million check to have them show up and not much else. Perhaps Miles will forge better ‘partnerships.’

    Speaking of other tracks, did you hear Hillenburg’s joint had their Nascar K&N series event cancelled. Apparently, they failed to meet their obligations.
    Editor’s Note: Common problem in sports these days. That’s why they need a quality partner.

    Sounds like a perfect fit for the IRL.
    Editor’s Note: Sure, if the IRL was still around. The name of the series officially changed five years ago. It is now known as the IZOD IndyCar Series. And with the correct partnership; i.e., a two-way street, the venue would be phenomenal.

    It is not road racers bending Miles’ ears, it is the Hulman George family members who hired them to turn their finances around from the failure of Tony George.
    No, it’s road racers. If I believe most of the haters out here in Internet land the Hulman Georges just aren’t that bright. Miles hired folks like Derrick Walker and sold Lights to Dan Anderson, who has openly vowed to purge ovals. Walker thinks balance is only 33% ovals (about where it is now). That philosophy has failed every single time it has been attempted.

    Comment by TroyM — September 18, 2013 @ 3:21 am | Reply

    • No, it’s road racers.

      hahahahahahaha. CART is dead. IMS won. Five. Years. Ago. Still has to be CART’s fault somehow though, doesn’t it? Because the alternative is un-writable here.
      Editor’s Note: Fault for what? Sometimes it appears you kids will never elevate your thinking from fourth grade levels.

      Comment by poppin mollies — September 19, 2013 @ 11:57 am | Reply

  2. Dear Defender:

    For the umpteenth time, unless and until the brain trust at Indy Car HQ lowers or loses the exorbitant ‘sanction’ fee which the series continues to demand from its promoters, oval and non-oval alike, none of our beloved ovals are coming back anytime soon….that includes Chicagoland, Michigan, Phoenix, Kentucky, Richmond, and most of the other ovals that the series ran on even just a few years back to largely empty stands and even worse TV ratings… this series has zero leadership and is merely re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic…you are correct in your assertion that next year’s schedule will suck even worse than this year’s that started too late, ends too early, has no ovals leading up to the 500, has too many races in too short a span between the 500 and Toronto and, as you are keenly aware, has too few ovals and too many of these gimmicky doubleheaders…Houston in the heat and humidity will also suck for both fans and participants and the finale in California will again have nobody in the stands and nobody watching on TV…scrap this car, scrap the specs for the engines, tires, chassis, etc. and do something that will capture America’s attention…I see that a Formula E series will start next year and younger people I know are already interested while interest among anybody under the age of 35 for the current form of Indy Car is dead on arrival….good grief, how did it get to this?

    Comment by Neil Rubin — September 18, 2013 @ 2:30 pm | Reply

    • FIA Formula E Championship – the worlds first fully-electric golbal racing series. Why would younger people support that and not indycar? Politics? I guess I don’t get it.

      Comment by Bob F. — September 19, 2013 @ 1:40 pm | Reply

      • Dear Bob F: Are you middled aged like the rest of us idiots who follow and reply to the Defender’s inane posts? If so, I can understand your confusion as to why younger people would prefer an electronic car racing series as opposed to fossil fueled racing from the past…however, if you are any nearer to 30 than 40 and you don’t get why younger people prefer a carbon neutral series to the junk that Indy Car has given us for the last decade, then you need to get a clue…

        Comment by Neil Rubin — September 20, 2013 @ 4:53 am

  3. To Mr Rubin: It is nice to review what has already been pointed out countless times…but one must question as to what alternative is available? Care to enlighten us with your thoughts? As for Indy Car……….its toast. Dry, crumbling and bland. Even a good slathering of jelly won’t even remotely give it any taste. It simply needs to die quietly and go away. Better people await in the wings to fix it. It simply is a matter of time.
    Editor’s Note: I wish someone would tell me who the ‘better people’ are.

    Comment by oldwrench — September 20, 2013 @ 1:09 am | Reply

    • Racers. They like to compete with their own ideas and designs. Spec racing has never had a grand following so when the rule return to what once was, racers will come, fans will follow and the whole process will begin again. People follow for different reasons. Watching what has already been done isn’t one of them. Seeing something new is.

      Comment by oldwrench — September 20, 2013 @ 11:08 pm | Reply

    • I’d also like to know who the “better people” are, and what are they waiting for? I’ll wait for both answers.

      Comment by Don — September 28, 2013 @ 2:14 pm | Reply

  4. (Only one salvageable word from yet another unintelligible missive from one of the obsessed crapper kids—you’re welcome for the merciful edit) Montoya.

    Comment by Fred Garven — September 20, 2013 @ 3:16 am | Reply

  5. Neil, so it is politics?

    Comment by Bob F. — September 20, 2013 @ 12:28 pm | Reply

    • Dear Bob F.: Politics? I am not sure what you mean but I will try to answer the best that I can…I am uncertain if this green movement is nothing but a smoke-screen started by some tree huggers out on the West Coast but whoever is responsible this concept is taking hold especially with younger people who seem to be genuinely concerned with ideas such as reducing the ‘carbon footprint’, utilizing renewable energy resources and lessening waste…look, I could care less about this non sense and I will always love fossil fuel burning forms of motorsports but kids today are becoming turned off by gas guzzling forms of power…bottom line, people are starting to buy into this movement as evidenced by F1 spawning a ‘green initiative’ and by the ALMS touting its achievements as the leader in green racing technology….and look at Tesla Motors, its stock is taking off and its Model S car, with a price tag over $100K, is a fast mover among the rich and affluent who can afford to buy a car that runs off of a 220 Volt plug in….we may not like it, but this is the future and Indy Car appears behind the curve….

      Comment by Neil Rubin — September 23, 2013 @ 3:41 pm | Reply

  6. Will anybody notice when Indycar returns? Well, I probably won’t. I just can’t get excited about the upcoming Houston race. Any race held in a parking lot is nothing more than a glorified autocross. The race at Fontana starts 8:00 est Sunday night. The Broncos / Colts game starts 8:30 Sunday night, which probably means few people in the Front Range or in central Indiana will be watching the race. So the season ends, not with a bang but a whimper.

    Comment by Chris Lukens — September 20, 2013 @ 7:13 pm | Reply

    • The race at Fontana is on Saturday night.

      Comment by Bill — September 22, 2013 @ 2:49 pm | Reply

      • Oops !! You are right Bill.

        Comment by Chris Lukens — September 24, 2013 @ 3:14 pm

  7. Sad days for your sport. Funny to see guys like Larry Ellison throwing hundreds of millions into Americas Cup racing, all the while you can’t give away the IZOD IRL. The problem is the cars and we all kow it. While Tony tried to chase down NASCAR, he bled the fambly dry and then just fooled himself that he was the king of racing when actually he was nothing but an embarrassment to both the sport and the IMS, and the n theres the loss of the family fortune. I am not sure I have ever seen a sport in such denial ( and you often point this out) of its problems, and yet continues making the same ugly mistakes year after year. IndyCar/IRL just can’t get its shit together. What would be wrong with just boycotting it until they get the message to shut the damn thing down and let someone else take over??? Seems like 99% of the general population could care less.
    Editor’s Note: How’s that boycotting thing working out for you after 17 years? LOL.

    Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — September 21, 2013 @ 9:56 pm | Reply

    • Great. I dont have to watch that garbage!m LOL.
      Editor’s Note: You certainly pay an inordinate amount of attention to something you claim not to watch. Figures.

      Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — September 22, 2013 @ 1:28 pm | Reply

      • Yeah, i cant wait to see them ontinually step on their own male genitalia. You seem to enjoy watching and complaining. Constantly. When are you going to throw in the towel? Havent they “evolved” into exactly what you hated about CART/CCWS? You know, foriegn dribers nobody cares about, crap spec cars, street courses, lame TV package…..or do you just swallow up whatever the Gomer Executive Team spews out at you, all in the name of the blessed INDY 500? Seriously…its become exactly what you hated before, why even watch or DEFENDER them?!?! I just dont understand.
        Editor’s Note: You should join Troy in a basic reading comprehension class.

        Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — September 22, 2013 @ 11:33 pm

      • Comprehension? Oh, I get it loud and clear: Defender is having painful inner struggles and turmaoil related to IRL. On one hand he has his position of daunting defender of sll that is IMS, and on the other hand, reality sets in: this thing stinks and is going nowhere. Do the right thing D, disavow this ccrap spec series, remember the good ole days, and continue, yes continue, to slag the IMS series everytime you get a chance. Its the right thing to do. :thumbsup: But you won’t. Lol.
        Editor’s Note: So do I like or don’t I? Truth be told I praise where warranted and criticize where warranted, and usually without sounding like I’m in the fourth grade. What a concept, huh?

        Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — September 23, 2013 @ 11:50 am

      • Whatever mumbo jumbo excuse you can rationalize your so called “fan-ness” to be, have at it buddy. Just like paper, its all about getting the attention right? Sort of like a Ted Cruz stump speech or whatever he’s doing right now. Look at me, look at me, look at me: i love hate the IRL! Without the IRL, you are just another schmuch from Washout Indiana, right?
        Editor’s Note: Please put the bottle down and try to speak English in the future.

        Comment by Youowemeabeerasshole — September 25, 2013 @ 11:45 am

  8. Maybe it is time for the Defender/Disciple of the IRL to find a new sport. It seems ever since Tony George was fired for his years of gross incompetence, you have been nothing but a critic of anyone in charge. Claiming the road racers are getting their way sounds like sour grapes from a man who had a wet dream of Tony George being the benevolent dictator of racing and ruling over the evil car owners…errr road racers with an iron fist. You must have been hoping to get the contract to supply $50 jugs of iced tea to the participants in May.
    Editor’s Note: You need to learn how to comprehend what you think you read.

    Comment by TroyM — September 22, 2013 @ 7:14 pm | Reply

    • To all of us who continue to post on this crapper site and who continue to take the Defender’s abuse and ridicule…we are a true cross section of the few fans that Indy Car has left since we are insufferable and steadfastly stand behind a dying sport with a checkered past, precarious present and hazy and uncertain future…why exactly we follow the Defender and his manic/depressive posts that alternate from enthusiasm for the series to stern consternation for its direction remains a mystery, but here we are with little to show for our passion and love of American Open Wheel Racing…I had the chance to speak with Beaux Barfield at last weekend’s ALMS race at the COTA and when I asked him whether the series will answer the bell in 2014, Beaux stoically stated that ‘there will always be some form of Indycar in the future’….we can only hope that the fools who have allowed this series to drift aimlessly for the last decade will come to their senses and save whatever we have left before tin tops/sports cars/nitro fuel cars are the featured machines at future Indy 500s….just a thought….

      Comment by Neil Rubin — September 25, 2013 @ 10:55 pm | Reply

  9. Say so long Go Daddy. They figured it out and said thank you…see ya!!!

    Comment by oldwrench — September 26, 2013 @ 1:39 am | Reply

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