Disciple of INDYCAR Weblog

November 6, 2013

Attention Mark Miles, Jeff Belskus and Doug Boles: What Is The Deal at IMS?

Filed under: The Disciple Blogs — Disciple of INDYCAR @ 12:55 am

As guardians of the greatest track in the world you have a huge responsibility to maintain the legendary track with the care and attention to detail it deserves. Every time we visit lately the notion that current management is out of touch with even basic maintenance is reinforced. Parts of the track, including areas that many first time visitors see first, are literally falling apart. A couple of glaring examples are attached.

That's a CRATER.

That’s a CRATER.

Probably A Code Violation

How difficult would it be to divert some of that equipment rebuilding the unimaginative road course to the museum parking lot? Seriously, what is the deal with the lapse in even minimal maintenance?

As a lifelong fan of the 500 and almost 50-year attendee, this is an utter and complete embarrassment. Please fix this.



  1. I was just there Sunday. This is unacceptable. The walk up the ramp to the museum is almost as appalling as the parking lot. A total embarrassment. Hulman and Cagle must be spinning in their graves.

    Comment by The paving company — November 6, 2013 @ 1:15 am | Reply

  2. See what I mean? All you do is complain about the dump, they don’t listen, they don’t care, they don’t do anything, yet you constantly complain? Jeebus Super D, go concentrate on your robot boxing league or whatever it is you were blathering on about yesterday.
    Editor’s Note: Perhaps I should run over there and defecate upon the premises. That’ll show ’em. Oh wait. I’m an adult. Never mind.

    Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — November 6, 2013 @ 1:59 am | Reply

    • If you can square it up right over that pothole, you might be doing them a favor.
      Editor’s Note: I am merely a fan with a deep sense of the rich history of the place, and am making suggestions as an adult to those charged with maintaining the history.

      Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — November 6, 2013 @ 2:19 am | Reply

    • LOL D! YOU don’t need to crap on the hollowed IMS grounds. The (Snip) Hulman-George family (/Snip) is doing it FOR you!
      Editor’s Note: Perhaps a good point, which is why I am pointing it out with photographic evidence to the fellows running the place.

      Comment by Gerhard911 — November 6, 2013 @ 2:40 am | Reply

  3. (Snip) Continuing nonsense, idiotic, children of the cart, hater bullet points expressed in the usual obsessive, repetitive, hostile manner, including A)perceived ineptness of IMS management, B) all fans gone, C) the 500 is not like it was, D) IMS has no money, E) IMS is soaking taxpayers F) money grab, G) removal of seats, etc., but not anything even remotely related to the specific topic of the blog, (/Snip)
    Editor’s Note: Commentary from mature adults is craved and welcomed. We could use some intelligent comments for a change.

    Comment by M Miles — November 6, 2013 @ 1:43 pm | Reply

  4. The scary part is this is what you do see. How about the deterioration going on that you cannot see. Its a short sighted decision to skip on maintenance of the facility. But we know from everything that they have done lately that tradition means nothing to those in charge right now. As angry as some people got with Tony George, he did the most important job of maintaining and approving the facility.

    Comment by Bob F. — November 6, 2013 @ 2:37 pm | Reply

  5. (Snip)Additional obsessed, vulgar, profane, paranoia-filled, barely literate cries for help by one of the children of the cart(/Snip)

    Comment by M Miles — November 6, 2013 @ 3:31 pm | Reply

  6. Looks to me like they know the sad state of the facility and are fine with it being so. I don’t think any squawking from fans is going to have one bit of difference in whatever their game plan is. They have never proven to be concerned with fan input before so why think they would start now. That parking lot is years in decline. I think that says a whole lot about the financial situation. Looks like they are just spending whatever they need to keep it open to collect as much as they can from the events and may be taking every last dollar out of it they can to cover the money they may feel they overspent floating the boat during the split years. Pad the kitty for the family inheritances to have something if they sell or whatever. Both say to me they are not all that concerned about a future for the facility so get what you can while you can. I know it is all private as far as financials, but it is very public that things are just not right when you see a parking lot that looks like it has been neglected for 10 or more years. Heck, some sealing of the lot every other year would have kept it in better shape and it appears they haven’t even done that. Sad, sad, sad. Sure doesn’t lend to your using the term evolution does it?
    Editor’s Note: Whatever you say Mr. Einstein.

    Comment by Some Hate Site Dipshit — November 6, 2013 @ 4:41 pm | Reply

  7. $100 million taxpayer sales tax graft will fix that right up. Maybe. I’ve heard the EPA has requested soil samples be taken at IMS before any projects begin. Yes, it’s a toxic waste site and it may force its closure. The images posted are only the tip of what is being withheld from the public. The disclosure on this website will help expedite moving IMS into Superfund status, 2016 may be the year afterall.
    Editor’s Note: Link? LOL.

    Comment by Goron Liddy — November 6, 2013 @ 4:45 pm | Reply

  8. (Snip)Additional obsessed, vulgar, profane, paranoia-filled, barely literate cries for help by one of the children of the cart(/Snip)

    Comment by Some Squatting Hate Site Dipshit — November 6, 2013 @ 4:52 pm | Reply

  9. ….Lots of censorship here today…..(Snip)…along with the usual obsessed, vulgar, profane, paranoia-filled, way off topic barely literate cries for help by one of the children of the cart(/Snip)
    Editor’s Note: Guess I’m going to have to enhance the spam filter. Look, kid…most adults with firing synapses would have figured out by now that the best way to get your commentary published is to A) write something that actually has to do with the topic and B) make even a small amount of sense. It’s not hard. I admire your persistence, but the longer you spout off-topic nonsense the longer your commentary will either be snipped or trashed. This is a hint that should not be misunderstood, even by a child.

    Comment by M Miles — November 6, 2013 @ 5:56 pm | Reply

  10. I whole heartedly agree. They have let the place go far to long. From the parking lot to the start of the washrooms the place is an eyesore. This can only be reversed by turning the racing back into something worth watching. Get some decent cars, decent drivers and some speed and maybe just maybe they can earn enough to get things back to the way they were/should be. The place has certainly taken a big downturn in the last decade or two.
    Editor’s Note: My favorite racing period was roughly from the mid-1960s to about 1980. Can’t go backward, though. I am all for innovation and speed although the current Dallara and driver set has provided some of the best actual racing seen in years. One of my main concerns, however, remains maintaining IMS with a dedication commensurate with its reputation.

    Comment by H Dolan — November 6, 2013 @ 6:05 pm | Reply

    • Sorry but the current car is a hot mess, needs to go and the sooner the better,
      Editor’s Note: What does that subjective observation have to do with the blog topic, which is the deterioration of the pavement around the museum?

      Comment by H Dolan — November 6, 2013 @ 6:32 pm | Reply

      • The car is a part of the big problem. Crappy car. crappy racing therefore less fans, less TV money, less sponsor money ie no title sponsor again. If they had fans they could afford to fix the parking lot.
        Editor’s Note: Seems far fetched. ‘Crappy’ car is highly subjective and subject to the whims of the viewer. ‘Crappy’ racing is also in the eye of the beholder; most folks asked actually enjoyed the quality of the racing. The past two years at Indy have been among the best ever. This ‘problem’ of which you speak is generally associated with the series outside IMS. IMS itself actually does really well. The 500 remains a cash cow, and the 400 remains profitable. MotoGP….said to be making a little money. Fixing the parking lot should not even be an issue. The property should be maintained with the same philosophy that was in place from 1946 through 2009. Any real or perceived malaise that affects any other part of the series is irrelevant.

        Comment by H Dolan — November 6, 2013 @ 7:40 pm

      • ok then if the racing is good and the car is not the problem then why is the place falling apart?????
        Editor’s Note: Because the current management has chosen not to progressively maintain it as it was between 1946 and 2009.

        The Hulmans own it but, even in your opinion letting the place fall apart. Why is that?? Either they have no money to fix it, they have the money but will not spend it or some mysterious third reason.
        Editor’s Note: I choose option 2. Their biggest mistake was letting Belskus run the place at all. Miles obviously has no sense of or respect for the place, and Boles seems like a yes man but utterly clueless about the sanctity of the place he supposed to be managing.

        You posted this piece, you’re obviously upset that the place is falling apart, WHY?
        Editor’s Note: Because I have higher standards than the current management. That museum and the parking lot outside is the very first thing visitors see when stopping by the track during non-event days. Anyone with common sense would realize that should be the primary area that shines every day.

        Comment by H Dolan — November 6, 2013 @ 7:58 pm

      • But WHY are they not fixing it.
        Editor’s Note: IMHO it is because the people charged with operation of the facility do not have the same standards of excellence as the people like Tony Hulman or Clarence Cagle, or even Tony George.

        Are they broke or just milking the place, Don’t both to reply if you don’t answer the question.
        Editor’s Note: Neither of those is applicable. It is my belief they have the wrong people making maintenance decisions.

        IMHO they are don ewith the folly that Tony started and are not putting another penny in that is not generated by the place, hence the shabby state of repair.
        Editor’s Note: Which Tony? Hulman, whose death in conjunction with a USAC helicopter crash led to ‘the mutiny’ or George, who continues to attract the creepy obsession of non-thinking delinquents who continuously shit all over the sport and act like fourth graders in public because they stupidly blame George for all real or perceived problems that were mostly the result of self-interested, arrogant hooligans who have spent 35 years trying to knock Hulmans off their mountaintop and take all their money?

        Comment by H Dolan — November 6, 2013 @ 9:49 pm

  11. OK your obviously not going to answer the question of why the Hulmans refuse to spend money on the speedway. I see why people treat you like they do.
    Editor’s Note: With what specific portion of the answer ‘IMHO it is because the people charged with operation of the facility do not have the same standards of excellence as the people like Tony Hulman or Clarence Cagle, or even Tony George’ are you having trouble wrapping your brain around? If you want an answer different than the two you have created for yourself the one I actually gave is going to have to do.

    Comment by H Dolan — November 6, 2013 @ 10:11 pm | Reply

    • I know the answer. It’s because they are broke. They have no money to put into the joint, and they have no confidence in management or marketing. They know all they get is “place fans” like Super D and the “Here Come The Mummies” crowd, so it is what it is. They’ll make a few bucks off tenderloins, ballcaps and that shitty Miller Lite they sell, but that’s it.
      Editor’s Note: Well now that we have your version of the problem what is your version of the solution?

      Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — November 7, 2013 @ 2:05 am | Reply

  12. (Snip)Another nine make that TWELVE off-topic nonsense comments that will never see the light of day(/Snip)

    Comment by Another Nine...Uh Make That TWELVE Nonsense Posts in the spam Folder From One Squatting, Obsessed Child — November 6, 2013 @ 10:16 pm | Reply

    • Make it 13,(Snip)Idiotic fourth grade level epithet(/Snip)

      Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — November 7, 2013 @ 4:28 am | Reply

  13. (Snip)Vulgar, off topic child of the cart response(/Snip)

    Comment by Johnny Baits — November 7, 2013 @ 3:21 am | Reply

  14. Since the middle of 2009, IMS management has been busy trying to stop the mass bleeding of cash that was allowed to happen when Tony George ran the place into the ground. The place is obviously hurting financially, considering they went to the statehouse last year shaking a tin can.
    Editor’s Note: The colorful yet completely ignorant opinionating of the most obsessed, yet most clueless, continues to entertain adults. ‘Bleeding of cash.’ Uh-huh. Proof? Didn’t think so. Tony George actually kept the place up. ‘Shaking a tin can?’ LOL. You kids do understand that what Indiana provided is a loan to jump start multiple capital expenditures, correct? These foolish agendas of the haters are quaint, but we are left to wonder when, precisely, the so obsessed will finally, if ever, grow up. That looks less promising than improvements at IMS. I did it the right way. I let Doug Boles know personally what many fans feel is as important as other improvements. Why not attempt to shelve the pointless agendas that have made the most obsessed look absolutely foolish for eighteen years and address specific blog issues such as cratered pavement and deteriorating sidewalks? It is not that difficult.

    Comment by TroyM — November 7, 2013 @ 11:12 pm | Reply

    • (Snip)Barely literate, way off topic, vulgar, nonsense response X2(/Snip)

      Comment by youowemeabeerasshole — November 8, 2013 @ 4:06 am | Reply

  15. Sounds like this “youowemeabeer” (as well as a few others) has some REAL anger/mental issues. Of course, with a moniker like that, what else could one assume? Wouldn’t the fact that IMS is a designated NHS make it eligible for federal funds to keep it up? Maybe there’s something I’m missing here.

    Comment by DOUG — November 8, 2013 @ 2:33 pm | Reply

    • Sadly, being on the National Historic Registry list carries zero influence. No $$ grants, but some property tax breaks. Here in my hometown we lost several building that were on the list. It was chance for the planning commission to justify their own existence, gave the city council a chance to make speeches and the developer made a buck. Everyone was happy, …..except the citizens.

      Ps – D, I have known people that were “thin skinned,” but you must have “rino skin”.
      If I had to put with the crap you get from “Moron Giddy,” “You owe me” and the rest of the ilk, I would not be as polite as you.

      Comment by Chris Lukens — November 8, 2013 @ 8:08 pm | Reply

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